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Wednesday, November 16, 2011

K-r and K-x are Much Different!



Many people (especially those who have never used both cameras) mis-believe that they are close and similar enough and that the IQ *should be* the same. Yes, on paper it probably is. But after prolonged and extensive use of both cameras myself. I do find them to be quite different in many ways, from the IQ, to operation, and accuracy and them system performance, which I list the obvious ones as below:-

IQ aspect - colour response

The colour response of the K-x and K-r are different. With the same Custom Image (CI) and the same default parameters, they produce different colours. This can be confirmed when using the same lens and take pictures on the same scene side-by-side. Just say the Natural CI of the K-x is less saturated than the Natural CI of the K-r and that the Portrait CI of the K-x is more colour accurate than the Portrait CI of the K-r, which produces exaggerated Canikon entry level DSLRs alike colours.

IQ aspect - noise handling

The noise handling and behaviours at higher ISO of the K-x and K-r are somehow different. It seems that the K-r processes noise in a smoother way and image is less "discrete" after processing, which could look more pleasing especially when viewed at pixel level. However, for some cases, the K-x would retain more image details.

Operation - Handling and Build Quality

The K-x always feel more solid when held in hands, plus it is indeed somehow smaller (and slightly lighter too).

Operation/Performance - LiveView/Movie CDAF

Obviously, the CDAF of K-r is faster. And it seems to be more accurate too. The zooming-in of the part of image being focusing is also the unique characteristic of the K-r (ditto for the K-5), which cannot be disabled anyway.

Operation - Movie Recording

Despite both K-x and K-r are recording movie in Motion JPEG in 720p, I found that the Codecs used in the two cameras are NOT the same! I did encounter different playback behaviours/software compatibility issue with the K-r and K-x recorded videos. Say for example, with the same software player on the same machine, the K-x video could be played flawlessly whilst the K-r's could be played without sound. So, Pentax must have made some changes to the video codec, but yet which we do not know.

System Performance - Continuous AF

The K-r is the first Pentax DSLR that I found that the C-AF does work better and is practical to use in conjunction with the continuous shooting mode. It could keep track with the object with reasonably higher successful rate with acceptable focus (less OOF and blur) than the K-x and any other previous Pentax DSLRs. Indeed, putting a set of Lithium battery into the K-x could help it to focus faster but as for the C-AF successful rate, the difference is not noticeable (even the AF motor does turn faster).

System Performance - Continuous Shooting

Obviously, the actual frame rate of the K-r is much higher than that of the K-x, and is indeed is even better than that of the K-7.

But one thing I note that is in continuous shooting mode, the exposure of pictures in JPEG mode is not adjusted anymore, versus of what the camera will do in single-frame advance mode. As a result, it is quite likely that the user would see more under or over exposed pictures than normal, i.e., in single-frame advance mode. After all, the image processor must adjust something, so as to compensate for the exposure errors with different lenses (which was a true headache with all those older Pentax DSLRs, since the *ist D).

System Reliability - AF Accuracy

K-x does NOT front focus and back focus as much as the K-r when different lenses are mounted and especially under tungsten light environment, which with the K-r large degree of front focusing *must* be resulted. After all, the focusing accuracy of the K-x is better, and IMHO that it is even more stable than the K-5 for what I tested (that was one of the main reasons why I cancelled my K-5 purchase order! :-(). The K-x does have shift to front focus under tungsten light, but that amount of the shift is less than the K-r's such that the impact is not as dominant.

So, after all, I found that the two cameras are different and they do have different pros and cons of each own. But coincidently, they complement each other for many of the pros and cons and as such, I would select either K-x or K-r of mine for different shooting purposes for what each of them will perform better! For instance, if I need better image colour and focusing accuracy, I use the K-x. On the other hand, if I need need to shoot fast object and use continuous AF/higher frame rate, I use the K-r.

N.B. In order to have higher AF accuracy of the K-x, it *must* be debugged for the AF at the first place.

JUST Believe any or all of the above or not, as I would provide no further proof nor evidence. Nevertheless, I do hope that the above could be useful for all those Pentax users who are still deciding between the K-x and K-r, putting aside the most annoying battery issue of the K-x, of which finding a stable rechargeable power source is simply a headache! But then recently I have almost tackled this problem completely, nonetheless. Why I say that it is "almost"? It is just because the total energy capacity of the LiFePO4 rechargeable is still lower than desired, although it is not really much lower than any NiMH before the camera cuts off, just at slightly dropped lower voltage of the batteries.

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you said "putting aside the most annoying battery issue of the K-x, of which finding a stable rechargeable power source is simply a headache"

The enloop provided in the box are very good, just manually select the kind of battery in the menu to get the best autonomy.
I never got any problem with the battery execpt at the very begining with the 1.0 firmware.

If i misunderstanding what you said, i would be very glad to hear it again :)
1 reply · active 698 weeks ago
Eneloop and any NiMH share the same old problems. They are heavy, self-discharging (yes, the so-called Low Self-Discharge type is yet discharging really fast when it is compared to Lithiums), low output voltage (such that the camera is working considerably slower, many people including me had measured and compared before), easy cut-off when the voltage dropped slightly (owing to self-discharge, using LiveView or Movie modes for a bit longer time or etc.). Old type Eneloop even has a stronger memory effect than traditional NiMH, so as to make it LSD. But then it is even worse to have memory effect. Do note that the latest generation of Eneloop which is named as the "X" battery does have a faster discharge rate, so as to avoid that stronger memory effect and to have a higher total charge (energy) capacity.

Eneloop and any NiMH will deteriorate fast over time when they are used in high drain and voltage sensitive devices like Pentax DSLRs. They will not be usable anymore after several months or so when their added-up voltage is not as high as when they were new. These aged Eneloops are fine for many other not-so-voltage-sensitive devices, e.g. torches, remote controllers or toys, but surely not again for our Pentax DSLRs.
I have two k-x's , no k-r yet.
There one aspect that is said to be better in the k-r, and that you don't mention- the hdr possibilities seem to be better in the k-r. It is said to be so fast and with the additional in-camera processing you can take Hdr-pictures handheld.
With regards to the Aa-issue: I found a shop that sells energizer AA lithiums at a discount price. The K-x with energizer lithiums is incredible. Very fast, light, and easily 1500+ images. No worries whatsover, an incredible shelf-life as well. How much easier it is to travel with the K-x and one or two sets of batteries (3000+) pictures instead of chargers and all the trouble.
1 reply · active 698 weeks ago
Currently, I have four sets of 4 x Energizer AA Lithiums, one used in my MZ-S w/ battery grip, one in my K-x (before I purchased my new LiFePO4s) and then another two new sets which are not yet opened. I purchased them at prices ranged from (US)$5 to $10 per set.

To me, the problem with L91 is not about its cost nor its availability (I can buy them easily anywhere in my home city), but more so about that I cannot get a full powered battery every time I go out to shoot for a day or for a major event. Its battery life is reasonably long but for "1500+ images" it is not that "easy", unless the LCD is turned off for most of the time and LiveView and Movie should not be used. For my usage, I think a figure of around 500 shots with ten to twenty minutes of movie recording plus some flash photos in small portion would be a more realistic figure.

In short, disposable is disposable, rechargeable is rechargeable. The hard difference cannot never be changed.
It seems, based on your observations, the K-x is the better camera if image quality is more important to the photographer than convenience and features, e.g. accuracy of exposure and focusing have been sacrificed to achieve the higher fps in the K-r. Colour accuracy seems to be sacrificed too. However there are many people who want all the features, like focus confirmation, and pay a price in image quality.
I can't agree having owned a K-x and K-r the K-r is more "natural" in it's colour rendition. Even in raw it is less saturated than the K-x
I can agree on AF as the K-x didn't display any serious or obvious signs of FF in low kelvin light..where as the K-r does have a major problem here.

The battery indicator on the K-x never really worked well even after the firmware update..though this was not a huge issue it just meant it was not very reliable.
1 reply · active 695 weeks ago
I say in the above that the K-x is more colour accurate. So, aren't we agreed btw?
K-s isn't more colour accurate, K-r is maybe a typo?
1 reply · active 695 weeks ago
K-x is a bit more colour accurate than the K-r once its colour profile is properly set up. My two cents.
K-x that is typo!

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