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Tuesday, December 10, 2013

My A7/7R and A3000 First Hands-on Tests (with Full ISO Shootouts for the A7 and 7R)





Tested the three cameras at the Sony showroom today (the A7 and 7R are undoubtedly the most wanted-buy bodies of the year for many those old Pentaxians with film glass!), and found the following:

- A7 shutter action is smoother and faster than that of the A7R, which is terrible, i.e., loud sound, stronger vibration and longer shutter lag;

- The build quality of both cameras whilst is acceptable, but not outstanding;

- I am not convinced with the clumsy user interface and troublesome operation menu of the A7 cameras, which is really a nightmare to use! I comment this as an existing NEX user, of which the operation should be simpler, I believe! >:-(

- The slow speed 28-70 FE kit lens is cheaply built, the IQ of it is not that bad, though. Still, this lens just feels a bit large when it is mounted and thus unbalanced;

- The EVF and LCD displays have some yellow tint to my eyes. The refresh rate of those are not that good;

- AF speed is not fast, but could be acceptable to most people;

- Continuous shooting (speed) of both cameras is just a joke, I don't know what is/are the real problem(s) there. I used a Class 6 Transcend 8GB card to test;

- Exposure accuracy and metering intelligence of the cameras are good enough;

- AWB seems to do a better job than those NEX cameras;

- The IQ is the most important thing of these two bodies, two full ISO speed tests from ISO100 up to 25600 for each of the bodies are posted as follows:

http://smg.photobucket.com/user/RiceHigh/library/NEX/A7A7RA3000Tests/A7

http://smg.photobucket.com/user/RiceHigh/library/NEX/A7A7RA3000Tests/A7R

All camera settings were reset to factory defaults. Lens used for both tests was a FE 35/2.8 ZA "Zeiss" prime. Full size original sample for the same (close) test scene can be downloaded per picture page (by clicking the magnifying glass symbol twice).

Nevertheless, I have not brought any of my Pentax lenses to test further for the adoption of those lovely Pentax glass of mine on the A7 and 7R. I have no doubt about the IQ of these cameras after my above first test anyway. However, I have big reservations on quite many of the issues that I have mentioned above!

As for the A3000, whilst it is cheap enough, I think it is also close to a piece of junk in many ways, including the build and the ridiculously tiny/low resolution EVF of it. It is even stupid enough to switch between the EVF and the back LCD manually, just like what was done four years ago with the first generation added-on EVF for Pana GF1 of mine! :-o The LCD looks bad, also..



As for the IQ of the A3000, it is just so so. Noise starts to appear and could be easily seen from ISO400 and up, just see the following few full samples:

http://smg.photobucket.com/user/RiceHigh/library/NEX/A7A7RA3000Tests/A3000

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I had the chance to test an A7R camera with 1.8 55 Sonar. I have to say that the shutter worked as a hammer.
All of my pictures had blurred edges. The camera itself is light and neat but the pictures were not better than those made with D610.
2 replies · active 587 weeks ago
Does the A3000 have focus peaking in the LCD *and* the OVF for manual lenses?
A7R lacks a electronic first curtain shutter which A7 has
1 reply · active 587 weeks ago
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guy incognito · 587 weeks ago

"I used a Class 6 Transcend 8GB card to test"

well failed
2 replies · active 587 weeks ago
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CathAlive · 587 weeks ago

The A7 and A7r seems to be unfinished cameras... Sony should have make a mix of the 2 and release only one good (great?) camera. Instead, people wiil hesitate between what issue they are ready to accept... Better sensor but noisy shutter that blur pics? or the cheap one but less resolution?
If these cameras were sold for two hundred $, I would buy one. This is how much they are worth.
3 replies · active 587 weeks ago
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pentaxfools · 587 weeks ago

Only issue with the A7r/A7 for me is the shutter button location, too far back. Don't by this camera to use for sports action photography. It took a day or so to get things sorted out but the IQ is the best I have seen from any FF. If your shots are blurred you have a bad lens, bad sample or don't know what you are doing, Without the grip it the A7r was difficult to handle because of its size. I had the same issue with the k-5. For me a grip and a hand strap makes both cameras much easier to handle. Great results using the scm18mm, fa*85, 200mm macro. I was worried about the 18mm but it works great as long as there are no filters installed. It is a completely different lens on a FF. For me I would have paid 3k for the camera and still feel I got what I paid for. Current price is to get folks on board I expect the A8r to increase significantly is price.
" Andreas H Kaufmann
• 13 days ago
We at Leica say: "Who needs a Sony should have a Sony!" In my humble opinion the Sony will be discounted soon, and for a reason..."

Maybe sooner than Mr Kaufmann had in mind......
Damm, It´s uglier than my lovely aunty!!!
So the advantage of not having a vibrating mirror box it´s not an advantage at all?
2 replies · active 587 weeks ago
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SonyFFbeta · 587 weeks ago

A7 and A7r look like a beta versions. No OS and heavy handed shutter on the A7r causing blur worse than a DSLR mirror flapping would. Very few native lenses. Great sensor but extreme reservations about the package it's in. Doesn't look user friendly at all. Mixed reviews on effectiveness with adapted legacy glass, mixed reviews on EVF. It would be brave to buy into this at the moment.
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pentaxfools · 587 weeks ago

"We at Leica say:" Oh & I excepted them to indorse their lower priced competition. LOL I mean "ha ha ha" , hows the k3 selling boys??? Seems the A7r may be doing a bit better huh.
6 replies · active 587 weeks ago
Well the grass on the other side of the valley is apparently not greener...
Rice I suggest you rename this blog to "Sony blog" and start bashing that company for a change.
So what is the conclusion? I would say buy an A7 for playing and fun with old lenses. I would if it cost half what it does. Buy a DSLR (FF or APS-C, it does not really matter) for work.
4 replies · active 587 weeks ago
We love when you write with common sense Rice. The sheer quality of Pentax equipment spoiled you, and you demand only utmost excellence and the level of polish which many other players are not interested in. Welcome back ! :-)
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Dan Johnson · 587 weeks ago

If the edge sharpness is off (more on the 36mp A7R than the 24mp A7) then I was right to question the effectiveness of older lenses with longer registration distances as the new lenses. The intro video said they changed the spacing of the outer pixels on the 36mp A7R in correlation to the angles created by the registration distance of the new FE lenses. However the 24mp A7 uses a image sensor which is an improvement to a existing design and doesn't pose this hypothesis with either old or new lenses. This is why I said I would buy the 24mp Sony A7, especially if I was buying Wide-Angle lenses instead of Telephoto, other than that 16mp will get you a great Super-B (13 inch by 19 inch) evan 24mp is more than enough for expensive prints.
Ah remember the first NEX? Give Sony another year or two and these cameras, which are already eating market share away from Ricoh, and they will have totally wreaked havoc with the entire camera business, Canikon included.

It's amazing how many of my AF Pentax lenses with aperture rings perform better wide open manually with focus peaking on my NEX than they do auto-focusing on a Pentax SLR. All these crap predictions about people getting tired of manual focusing neglect 3 things: The superiority of Sony's focus peaking and manual focus assist, and the economic benefits of cheap high quality legacy glass.
2 replies · active 587 weeks ago
I love Sony. They churn out weird and interesting devices each year. Such an eclectic mix. For cameras they have mirrorless, full-frame, apsc, mirrorless, fix focal, super-zooms, super-compact, compact-premiums, etc. In all kind of shapes and sizes.

What I love about them is what I hate about them too. It always seems to me that they always seem to move on from one idea too fast. Like some kid with adhd that can't seem to finish anything that they started. Hopefully, they'll stick with the A7/A7R concept and refine it further in the next new models. I saw the cameras, managed to toy a bit with them. They seem nice, small, light, great image quality potential. But after having used to using cameras that are quiet, they seem pretty loud and clunky.

I like the Zeiss labelled lenses but I prefer the old Minolta glass. Sharp is sharp but it is too overated perhaps that is why I love the Minolta lenses. They're sharp but not too sharp, nice bokeh, beautiful colours. Add that with the Sony sensor, it has a different quality to it that I can't quite put my hand to it yet(probably just my own imagination). And that is the thing I don't like about Sony, too many mounts, too many different specifications. No focus (pun intended) on what they want to achieve. Play safe and try to please everyone?
2 replies · active 587 weeks ago
You should create a Ricehigh's Sony Blog, please ...
5 replies · active 587 weeks ago
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pentaxfools · 587 weeks ago

Pentax's lack of innovation and new product introduction (actual new products not rehashed, recolored lens or any subsequent K-5 variant) has allows Pentax to focus on a small product line relative to the first tier camera produces product lines. In reality I think Pentax is forced to execute their business in this manner. The reason being a lack of resources has limited their ability to innovate and stay competitive. They got into that position by not paying attention to their customers. This all occurred about twenty years ago and it seems they are still ignoring their customers and the market in general.
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pentaxfools · 587 weeks ago

I think the market has and will determine if those cameras count. To me the K-3 is a k-5 variant. Even if it is not do you really think it is more than an incremental improvement to the k-5 series?
Pentax needed a "game changer" not an incremental improvement to an APCS camera. The industry has moved on, Pentax has not. It's a shame but it is what it is......
2 replies · active 587 weeks ago
I love my new A7, I have now many lenses to be tested (31mm,43mm,77mm, VOigt Color SK 20mm, A 50mm F1.2, Zeis ZM ect)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/criminologue/1134445...

Its finish for me the Pentax body...
Rice,I hope the blog will provide news about Sony because many pentaxistes go to SOnY
15 replies · active 586 weeks ago
FOr information, the next FF body Pentax is not in K mount...Its a new mount
3 replies · active 587 weeks ago
this is why I left Pentax. N futur for K mount. I keep my FA limited but it's over with Pentax...

In Sony, Twoo Mount, Mount A , Mount E(FE)... Ricoh Pentax, its same. There will be a new adaptater for K mount but ....

It is totally logical that Pentax Ricoh created a new mount to miniaturize FF.

Finally, the K5, K3 ect is too big than a Sony A7. The FE Mount is really the best choice...

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/52384176 http://photorumors.com/2013/10/25/ricohpentax-ful...
3 replies · active 587 weeks ago
Pentax is still lagging ... Sony is at the forefront of technology. No regret.
1 reply · active 587 weeks ago

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