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Saturday, October 08, 2011

Ten Things that I Want Ricoh to Do for Pentax

1. Build a FF K-mount DSLR System (at least for a Body First):

One of the most valuable asset of Pentax is their complete 135 lens designs in K-mount. In fact, It is very easy to update all those old film FA lenses with very little modifications and thus minimal efforts and costs. The modifications involved could be only the incorporation of newer technologies like ultrasonic AF motor and updated lens coatings.

I know that some Pentaxians would argue that it is just a suicide for Pentax to make a FF DSLR body. But I just wish to ask, what "suicide" would it be? Would the Pentax Q be a suicide either btw? Besides, if the 645D body plus two new lenses haven't killed Pentax so far, why a 135 FF DSLR will??

If they never try, how will they succeed? I think the key point to succeed is the uniqueness in product and market positioning. I think Pentax should make a truely compact FF DSLR body, which is their good old tradition for what they were good at. If they make one and it is in K-mount, I shall buy one, provided that it is not dearer than $2500 (US) dollars, I suppose.

2. Build a K-mount Mirrorless:

The Q is indeed helpless for the IQ. It is clear that the Q is targeted to novices and ladies who knew little about digital cameras but wish to buy a new beautiful/elegant-looking (maybe well-built also) ILDC just for the sake of lenses are being interchangeable but nothing else.

It does no harm to simply make a K-mount ILDC straight away. My guess is with all those pancake DA lenses that are already there, this new *system* is going to be strong. People will then say that the body will be too thick than desired, but then I think it will still be much smaller than the current K-mount DSLRs, with the removal of the mirror housing and pent-prism/mirror, won't it?

At the end of the day, Sony NEX is very slim for the body, but all the new lenses are made to be very long. So, what is the point of a thin body if so? After all, my opinion is that Pentax should try to make a K-mount mirrorless, and to put every effort to minimize it, but not making a new mount. Yes, Pentax could then make a K-mount adaptor to it even if they are really going to build from ground yet another new mount of theirs, but this will be so indirect and incur too much development cost to themselves and ultimately to the consumers as well. If we just want a K-mount, just do it straight away, in one-off!

Another short-term alternative is to make a K-mount A1x module for the GXR, but then this would not be the true Pentax gene, as we all knew.

3. Re-build the Full K-mount Specifications for High End Models:

Since the film *ist and the *ist D back to 2001, Pentax has crippled the K-mount "permanently" (up till now and for too long) and the harm to themselves and the K-mount community is unmeasurable. Now, under the new leadership of Ricoh, if they want that their old Rikenon lenses can be used for wide-opened/real-time metering and exposure control on upcoming Pentax bodies. They have to re-incoporate the full K-mount specifications, at least in new higher-end Pentax bodies, just like what Nikon has done for their D300 and upper models.

For low end models, I do not object to cut corners so as to save costs, as most of the new users might not use those old lenses anyway.

Btw, I do see the mentality behind for camera makers to cripple things and support in new bodies as they just want the old users to buy new lenses. Yes, this is true to some extent. But for Pentax and Ricoh, if they want to be more competitive, they have to do something more. Also, I think sometimes brand loyalty is magical, some users (I guess including me), the most old lenses they could use, the more new lenses they will buy! Just believe it or not! ;-D

4. Update the Pentax SLR AF system:

A f/2.8 AF system is just a must. Those "f/2.8" or even wider AF sensors measure focus from the peripherals of the glass instead of in the centre and thus could have to eliminate a lot of those focusing error when using faster primes. I knew that Pentax has been trying to programme different compensation factors into new bodies so as to guess better for where the actual focus *would* be at. But at the end of the day, no guess work is good work and do remember every lens on this planet was actually produced differently, even for the same model. In fact, the manufacturing process and materials etc. are ever changing and alignment for each lens could be somehow different. So, real and actual/exact measurement is the only way to go, as long as accuracy is the prime concern!

Sometimes, I really just don't understand the stubbornness and "insistence" of Pentax of not incorporating any f/2.8 AF sensor into their SAFOX AF system which was first designed exactly ten years ago! Well, Canon, Nikon and Sony had that many years ago and Canon even included the f/2.8 sensor into their entry level DSLR since their 450D. Why not Pentax alone should not and still do not have it (and thus created so many problems)?

When many Pentax users always wonder why when they suffered from those endless BF/FF issues especially when they used older Pentax lenses, many of them just don't know it is just the in-born limitation of the Pentax AF system. I bet not until Pentax is willing to incorporate at least one f/2.8 sensor for the central AF point, this problem will NEVER be cured!

5. Debug/Remove the SDM Sadam; Build a Ring-Type Ultrasonic AF Motor

The fact is SDM has too low the service life time and too low the reliability and yet too low the serviceability either. Ricoh should try hard to see how the design could be improved. If not, just disregard it and find a new design. At last, true ring-type USM should be made, this is still the best current technology on Earth that has the highest performance and to be far more reliable!

6. Build an In-Lens IS System

Whilst I do not object to body SR system, which has its value, the value of in-lens IS should not be ignored. The fact is that in-lens IS is more efficient for long focals and that it is better to use in-lens IS to avoid heating problem for pro-longed video recording and that in-lens IS can also help for making slimmer camera bodies, too.

Some people would then suppose that in-lens IS could have conflict with in-body SR. But I think what will the conflict be if they are made by the same maker? Is it so difficult to write a simple sub-routine in the firmware to teach the camera to turn off one of them when an IS lens is put onto a SR body? :-)

7. Build an Updated Flash System; Re-incorporate the True TTL Measurement for Real-Time Flash Exposure!

The P-TTL system is infamous for P equals to Pathetic for long now. Indeed, it has been proven that the K-5 is yet far more inaccurate with external P-TTL flash guns than the K-r. I think Ricoh should look more seriously on why the P-TTL system of Pentax is so pathetic in accuracy and reliability.

As I have been asking for so many years now since the *ist DL, why Pentax should really disregard the plain old TTL real-time off-the-"film" flash measuring sensor after the *ist DS2. I still recall the indeed very high accurate of my *ist D with my old Pentax TTL auto flash will just win any of the P-TTL flash combo in terms of exposure accuracy and predictability. Yes, the old Pentax centre-weighted TTL-Auto is not having any "intelligence", but it is just a super reliable workhorse.

To think a bit more, with the new CMOS sensor technology, I suspect that even the CMOS sensor could be used for that real-time exposure measurement or maybe the sensor built-in electronic shutter could also be used to control flash exposure, too? But anyway, how much additional cost for such plain old technology for such an additional photo diode and some very simple associated circuitry? If reliable output and backward compatibility could be reassured, it worths! How about to put it in the flagship, at least? If people just want that *feature*, they will buy it! (Pentaxians are always worrying about no one will buy costly Pentax flagship and bodies - but there are always some major issues to force me not to buy the pseudo "flagships" in these years, frankly! If they are just not good enough, why should more people buy? >:-()

8. Improve Qualities

Less design issues, less manufacturing issues, less QC problems. Yes, more manufacturing costs will incur, but the brand reputation will be re-gained and more customers will be attracted (both old and new)! Not even to mention this also saves all those after-sales "support" and repair costs which should not be necessary if qualities were made better!

9. Better Services and Supports

Better pre-sales and after-sales services and supports are always the key-success to companies. What I could say is that the current services and supports by Pentax, are failed, or more directly, they usually suck! Yet again a recent user report, there is no spare part available for his defective DA*300 (once again the SaDaM in action!): http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1036&thread=39519041

10. Better Publicity and Public Relations

I could see that Pentax are trying to do these in short-cut ways nowadays. But the true PR is that they should not try to select/filter things to publicise in an extreme way and select people whom they think will tell mostly the goods for them, which is rather short-sighted afterall. In this IT era, people will know well about all the problems sooner or later and people will judge. The most proactive and positive ways is to let people to know as much as possible and don't try to hide anything. The more the maker tries to hide, the more issues and negative impacts it will create.

P.S. I hope Ricoh decision makers and top management guys could see my this post and more importantly I hope they could take my suggestions and analyses into account (only if they read and understand mine). I think as a really long-time Pentaxian who has supported them for over two decades and have never stopped purchased new Pentax items no matter what and how, they should really treasure my comments and I don't believe that all my inputs and contributions to the Pentax community should be something that they should completely ignore. (This site is a living example, despite that many Pentax fanboys just hated me to death, for my "negative" opinions and continuous "brand bashing"! >:-()


Further Reads:-

The State of Pentax (by Q1 2011)

Ten Reasons for Thinking Twice before Decided on a K-5..

Major Causes of Poor AF Reliability of Pentax DSLRs

My Idea of a K1000D

Reference Technical Articles:-

P-TTL Vs TTL: Is Newer Better?

K-Mount Metering and Exposure Bases - A Technical Brief

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Man, you're reasoning like a techie who'd like to get all these features to help you to get better images. Don't forget that a company is managed by marketers not engineers!
4 replies · active 701 weeks ago
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nik maslov · 702 weeks ago

amen to that :)
I was sick of waiting and bought a 5D mkII, but I would still appreciate a full frame Pentax, I don't care anymore for a new Pentax K-whatsoever APS-C on steroids !
I'd really love to see a K-mount mirrorless.
1 reply · active 698 weeks ago
I've switched to Nikon D700 and very-very-very happy.

It is really professional camera. The flash system is perfect, AF is too. Colors - use RAW.
2 replies · active 701 weeks ago
5DII center point wins in all aspects against K5. K5 is little bit better if you need multiple cross points but you can not use fast aperture, you get good results with f4 but not with f/2.8. But 5D is not so bad as Rice is claiming, it has tons of perfect features and if you compare against Canon 5DII semi they are quite equal and it is grate to have both.

What I have found using both cameras not taking account video:

K5 battery lasts longer, much much longer
K5 live view is much better with AF-C tracking and contrast AF
K5 has better weather seals
K5 bracketing is more flexible
K5 ergonomics is up do date technology, 5d2 is ten years old thinking, like using MS-DOS early graphical programs and is not ortogonal
K5 lacks tethering, 5D has it
K5 AF is not up do date tech, but 5d2 lacks multiple cross point sensors, 5D2 has 2.8 center AF point
K5 can not render highlight colors in good light accurately
K5 has very good DR and shadow readout noise but weaker high iso performance in highlight area
K5 does not provide TS-E lenses
K5 can not be used with pocketwizard's innovative triggering systems
K5 is very silent, 5D sounds is like 20 years old hardware
K5 fps is much faster but it looses to 5D in some situations when AF produces delays
K5 has excellent preview zoom mode, 5D is not so good, you have to press many buttons
K5 flash sync is slow
K5 provides stabilized primes and normal zooms, 5D has just 24-105 witch is good lens of course
K5 tolerates freezing temperatures
K5 has electronic level and horizon correction with rotational stabilization (can not be implemented optically) helps in some situations
Im sorry Rice, but the No.1 item on your list should be the lowest priority for Pentax-Ricoh

Its just a waste of money for Pentax to prioritize a full framer right now over all the other stuff they need to do.

Here is why:

1. FF market is small, and those who want it have left - The photographers who wanted this have likely bought a 5D or D3. Sony proved that those people have left the latecomers with the end of the 900 and 850 lines. This is not where Pentax can increase its marketshare, especially since it range of FF lenses is incredibly small. I know, there are a number of people sitting on collections of premier Pentax lenses, just waiting to buy a FF if it ever came out, but that number is modest. Those people likely bought an APSc body and use it as a second camera to their Canon or Nikon FF, or are living with APSc but still pining for the full framer. But that isn't enough to justify the R&D costs, as well as the higher price for the FF sensor.

2. It competes against the 645 - Pentax has its big sensor beast with the 645D. It would be better served adding features, or creating a stripper model to get it in the hands of more. A FF model would divert 645 buyers to buying some of the mythical FF, weakening that model's sales.

3.Lenses, lenses, lenses - Like I said, Pentax's ff lens selection is too small, meaning that buyers would then need to hit the market on used lenses, or you are pushing them to third-party lensmakers - either way, no revenue for Pentax.

4. K5, Kr, mirrorless projects need the money - Pentax is not Canon, releasing eight models every year. They do not have the money to have modest refreshes, and put out differing models with modest variables. They have to be precise. I completely agree that K mirrorless system is a must, as is better marketing, but also feel they need to update the Kr sensor and match the specs of the Nikon 5100, and get that 24 mp sensor Sony put in the a77 and have it in a K5 successor, which should be even better than that pellicle mirrored thing. And they need to get the word out. They need to update all the A, FA, FA and A Star lenses, and dump SDM.

That doesn't leave any money around for a full framer. I am sorry, but its the truth....

Now for some of your others, well we covered SDM, marketing, and mirrorless. As far as some of your others:
-In Lens IS: Yet another item I think they cannot afford, nor would make marketing sense. First, which system is better is based on what lens range you are using, and what sensor you have. The improving sensors reduce the need for heavy IS, and similar to the FF issue, it would mean designing a full lens lineup with it built in, and that not cheap or easy. Plus the in-camera sensor IS does work (once again varies compared to in-lens IS on where you are shooting) and gives you the ability to have it for your legacy lenses.

AF system- Seems like the K5 shows a real improvement in the AF system, and I think will continue to improve it.

8-9-10- I think you have been in a bad place on this regard, always focusing on the negative. I remember a post where you had a modest paint chip off you Kx and you bemoaned that they would not replace your camera - You need to get in a different mindset.

Flash system - I have not had a problem with the flash system, be it shooting sports or stills. I would agree the flash line is long in the tooth, and new flagship model is needed. I have had a problem with Nikon, too, however, ending the SB800 and SB 600, making you buy uber expensive SB 900, or getting the weak SB 700. All cameramakers need work.

The one thing you missed in your list - Affordable lenses. THis is the biggest gripe I have, other than no mirrorless K and the demand for an upgraded K5. WHen I got my K10, I bought a FA 75-300 lens for $130 new. Actually I bought that after having a 100-300. It was a light, cheap lens, had a plastic mount. That lens was replaced by the $400 50-300. That is wrong. One of the selling points was that Pentax lenses were cheaper, and of as good, if not better quality than the competition. Cheaper lenses would bring people in.
6 replies · active 701 weeks ago
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Michael A. · 701 weeks ago

Pentax-Ricoh will do what makes business sense. They know what technologies are desired, as most of us do. Give them a few month to dial in their line-up, for Lucifer's sake... :o)
Pentax should consider a mirrorless FF or APS-H, in order to keep the price and the size down, it can only support K-mount AF lens via an adaptor only (even if it is slow) and the mirroless can only be a body without AF (but of course with focus recognition function and it should have a very short registered distance to allow adoption of lens from different systems) supported with a reasonable electronic viewfinder. It should be able to make it no bigger than a Lecia M8/9 but at a cost of around a K5 body. Please make it looks like an LX or at least a MZ-3

I have a 5D MkII, but it is too heavy (especially with the bulky FF lens) for travel and the world is too developed for any nice places that is close to human living areas.

The market for large camera is going no where (except in China where Canon is still a leading brand). Sony is right to drop the heavy monstors A900 and A850. I have doubt on the SLT too, but I think it is an answer to have a fast camera (at least for now), but I do not think it will last long when mirrorless focusing technology improves.
2 replies · active 701 weeks ago
Rice High...You asked for and I say consider it done...
your pal,
Ricoh
A DSLR mount on a mirrorless camera is just not a good idea. DSLR lenses are designed for a long register distance. When mounted on a thinner mirrorless camera they will not be able to focus at all. If the mirrorless camera is made as thick as a DSLR then it loses its size advantage. So a K mount (or an F mount for nikon etc) mirrorless is out of the question. However an adapter for using K mount lenses while preferably retaining metering and/or AF will be lovely.
4 replies · active 697 weeks ago
I fully agree only with 4. (AF) and partly with 7. (Flash), among which 7 is already second priority IMO.

The rest is all nice-to-have - I would buy it - but will be limited by what is economically feasible and sensible. I want Ricoh/Pentax to make WISE decisions and not die trying to satisfy the narrow FF market. I sure wish much more for a good and not-too-heavy 400mm lens than for FF.

Also, an improved 15mm Limited with the same form factor but less CA would be nice.

I would add "integrate the O-GPS1 into the DSLR body". Plus, I would like an integrated lightning trigger to make pictures of thunderstorms. This would again be a special feature not offered by any of the other camera manufacturers, and should not be too difficult to implement.

By the way, isn't it schizophrenic to ask for a FF because of the "big, bright viewfinder" (the K-5 VF is not bad!) and at the same time demand a mirrorless EV? Sounds to me like whisky with water on the side. I prefer beer.
2 replies · active 698 weeks ago
i would add :
-a softer release button (with no "click" between pre-release & release)
-a better compatibility with eye-fi cards
-a more accurate and efficient level system
-a tilt shift bellow system
-a 1:1 aspect ratio in liveview mode
4 replies · active 701 weeks ago
for the record.... if one wants to re-do the flash system for d-slrs.... I'd say go this route...
incorporate bluetooth into the flash and camera.
release a developers sdk open source..
have a new pc/mac software utility that allows wireless tethering.
Have the flash recieve full auto and manual controls from the camera including color balance and have the camera control the color balance of the flash output... (a color oled panel behind the flashtube that works as video light, and also alter color of the flash)... and have set up so you can control multiple flashes from your camera or phone ot tablet or laptop...

There fixed your flash for you, you are now ready for the next century.
1 reply · active 697 weeks ago
In short;you want Pentax to be Nikon or Canon?
AF,SDM,flash,IS etc.
26 replies · active 635 weeks ago

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