Saturday, July 11, 2009

K-7 LCD Split Screen "Feature"!



(Source: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2422/3708171122_2ec21610b4_o.jpg)

The User Report:-

http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-dslr-discussion/66122-k7-bug-temp-malfunction-settings.html

The first two posters in the thread reported the same issue!

It is just so mysterious for a digital camera to have such a (hardware?) bug and problem, which has never been seen and reported for *any* digital camera! Not even for the previous Pentax DSLRs which could be infamous for the poor quality control for various (common) issues. Really Amazing! ( but :-( and why? How come? ) Afterall, it proves again no good the quality control of the K-7 is, IF Any.

47 Comments:

terrencechin said...

Wow, you've really bashed the K7 a lot today.

RiceHigh said...

What "bash", boy? Those new K-7 users' reports are TRUE and REAL! Can't you see the evidence??

Anonymous said...

wow you are really ANTI PENTAX.. how about get a life and go take some photos, with whatever brand of camera you use.

Anonymous said...

Do you actually own and USE any Pentax equipment?

Also, how long have you worked for Canon?

RiceLow said...

Rice come on buddy :) there are always going to be a few bad lemons. Every company that produces products have them. Go to dpreview and check out Canon and Nikon forums. It is full of people complaining about how their cameras have quality control issues (every time i think of quality control I think of Jurassic 5) Buttons failing, Hot pixels, Screens Failing, Camera is always in the shop.(last one is a dig at Nikon) heck every manufacture have these issues. Why do you think warranties were created. I always took the approach never to by first production run of anything. Anyways keep up the hating brotha

Peace

RiceLow

Anonymous said...

Some facts, from a Pentax realist:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036&message=32372507

Much of the quotes you are refering to was also published when the K20D came. So in many ways, Pentax uses the same wording for the sensor in the K-7 as they did with the sensor in the K20D.

Now, there is a difference - and the difference is that the K-7 has lower colour noise than the K20D so noise on images from the K-7 does look better, especially when printed.

So it is true that the K-7 is improved. It is not improved by much, but still it is improved.
The difference is small, but still it is there.

Pentax never said that the improvement was to be great or big compared to the K20D.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036&message=32372580

The K-7 has a similar resolution as the K20D and similar image performance.

Major difference in image quality is that the colour noise is lower in the shadows, and that the noise looks better.

The resolution in the K-7 and K20D is enough for big poster printing, as Mr Benjamin Kanarek - and others - has showned. On normal print sizes for family albums etc, a 3Mp sensor in a p&s does equally well.

How much resolution do people need? Well, "bigger is always better", yes - but how many are printing that big? I can understand that professional photographers needs it for big posters and stuff. But for magazines and even for printing books etc, 14.6Mp is much more than enough. A friend of mine is a professional photographer and he uses an 8Mp camera with great results - he has published many books with great images.

And when we talk about noise levels, the noise levels in the K20D - and the K-7 - are just fine for most print sizes that most consumers uses. Again, you need to print big big sizes for noise to be a concern with high ISO images.

K-7 is in many ways a K20D with faster and more reliable autofocus, faster continous shooting, viewfinder with more coverage, finally contrast detect AF, improved multisegment metering, improved flash performance, in a compact package and many other improvements.

It is not a quantum leap in terms of image quality from the K20D.

About this "softness" - I have seen many sharp and high resolution from the K-7 yes, but also some soft ones. Now, the soft ones that I have seen were all "straight through" in RAW conversion without any sharpness added.

It may very well be so that the K-7 has a stronger anti-alias filter than the K20D.

As we know, the K20D and K10D unusually weak anti-alias filters - this means higher resolution but also problems with moire. To minimize moire, the competition uses stronger anti-alias filters. A stronger anti-alias filter means that the RAW conversion needs to apply more sharpness. The anti-alias filter is softening the image to kill moire, so sharpness needs to be applied after the anti-alias filter. This is the same with all cameras with anti-alias filter (and most cameras on the market today has anti-alias filter).

Also note that the K-7 has just been released, it will take a while for the makers of RAW converters to create a K-7 specific profile that makes the most out of the camera.

And it will take a while for the users to learn how to post process the images.

Most images posted so far are test images, not to be meant to be taken seriously.

A genuine Pentaxian said...

This example above is made up. If you look at Ned Bunnell's site, he took these pictures using his grand kids action figures. (Note: The lens used to produce these images was the FA 100mm Macro. Action hero figures used for this test provided courtesy of my grand kids.) New Bunnell is President of Pentax USA and his blog is: http://www.nedbunnell.blogspot.com/ Look for his blog entitled "K-7 Multi-exposure mode"

Someone hijacked his photos and post processed them to fake this problem. Come on, it would be quite a coincidence for someone to take the same exact picture Ned Bunnell took at his home. Check this out and you will see that RiceHigh is on a mission. This time, it could have serious consequences as this is abviously and deliberately a made-up story. I wouldn't be surprized if attorneys would get involve in this. RiceHigh, you need to grow up. Get a life for God's sake.

Leodileo said...

That someone says in his post that he used one pic from NB's blog. Still, it's a very strange behavior... and Rice might have made it even stranger... :-/

Anonymous said...

Ricehigh is simply acting as a conduit, not the originator. You should be complaining on Pentax Forums, because that's the source.

Blame the source, not someone who passes that source along. One would think that someone on Pentax Forums would have picked up, if it were a copy.

Try reading the actual source:

This morning I don't know what happened but when turning the dial to change mode the lcd display went berserk, I had to turn the camera off and back on to get a normal display again:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2422/...c21610b4_o.jpg

ps: I used one pic from Ned Bunnell blogspot.

Anonymous said...

This blog has turned into such complete crap, methinks Rice High is really Kim Jong-il. I love Pentax and Samsung products. They both did a great job on the K-7!!!

A genuine Pentaxian said...

I suspect that all of the comments in agreement with RiceHigh are posted by RiceHigh himself, under fake names.

Why would anyone use Ned Bunnell's pictures instead of taking real pictures themselves? Note that you cannot save an existing JPEG file onto a memory card and see the picture on your camera screen. The example above was manipulated with photoshop, and inserted into a picture of the rear of the K-7.

RiceHigh, you are like a four years old arguing with another four years old. "My dad is stronger than your dad! My father is smarter than your dad, etc"

May we know who you work for a living?Canon? Canon subsidiary? Canon elated company? You suck!

Anonymous said...

RE: I suspect that all of the comments in agreement with RiceHigh are posted by RiceHigh himself, under fake names.

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Talk about 4-year-olds! "Mommy, they said bad things about my Pentax"

I'm not him, and occasionally we disagree - so I suspect a bit of legacy-fanboy paranoia hereabouts.

Look at this slide-show, and then come back with your comments:

It's 100 slides long, and the keyboard right-arrow will step them along. The first 45 or so are about Pentax' product history, so those who enjoy that will get a taste. Then comes the digital
period, and he identifies how they got to where they are through shared technologies, including some management quotes. Around slide
86, he gets to the core argument.

There is a full-screen option, and ESC would drop you out at anytime to the prior state.

http://www.slideshare.net/Christiansandstrom/disruptive-innovation-and-pentax

WRK said...

I would say if you want to have any shred of remaining credability you would retract this post. How can you continue to say you're not against Pentax! Hey 1001 Noisy cameras stop linking to this crap.

Anonymous said...

What is your problem people!!? Jesus! The man is reporting legitimate issues, and you should be grateful that you can be informed about potential issues in the production of the camera. What is this CENSORSHIP? If you don't like the K-7 having problems bitch at Pentax!!! Don't stone the messenger! You are like rednecks cursing the weatherman for the weather!!! DO NOT COME TO THIS SITE IF YOU DONT LIKE IT. The WWW is large and wide and there is room for everyone. Thanks Rice for this invaluable service. Pentax ought to listen and tighten up their process.

Anonymous said...

Ricehigh is blowing in the wind, as the song says.
The market for all dslrs looks shaky to me, like that for compacts digicams: more low frequency use features such as mp and increasing prices. When the budget ones take pretty good pics anyway.
A high megapixel Nikon or Canon for ever-increasing prices? The problem is getting existing owners to trade up. New markets are difficult in the recession, so trade-ups are a natural answer.
But why trade your perfectly useful Nikon D40, Pentax K100D or Canon 350D when it makes good prints anyway?
If Pentax is in trouble, they all are in the long run. Why spend a fortune for liveview in a dslr when digicams do the same cheaper in an 8*6 print of almost equal quality at low iso anyway?
That's if you do print your photos rather than pixelpeep.
Canon and Nikon,Sony is the one to watch, not Pentax and Olympus.
At least with Olympus and Pentax fewer people are fretting about stupid full-frame which even with Nikon and Canon is a tiny percentage of the entire DSLR market. And pathetic depth oof field. Take a family shot with a dslr and digicam. I bet more people arein acceptable focus on the digicam because of greater dof.
Resolution and mps?
Resoution is desirable in B&W, but nowhere near as critical in colour. Colour,however, is important to differentiate one object from another. And contrast and saturation and hue.
Ricehigh, thanks for the opportunity to vent off steam about a lot of photographic dinosauric issues.
But, what the heck is driving you?

Anonymous said...

You're really ridicoulus!
take a picture from ned bunnell's blogspot to made up a fake...
please stop and have a greater respect for yourself!

G.

Anonymous said...

RE: The market for all dslrs looks shaky to me, like that for compacts digicams: more low frequency use features such as mp and increasing prices.

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Incorrect - DSLR sales are rising, particularly in the Far East. Hybrids will attract some of those buyers, once deliveries are assured.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2009/06/26/business/business_30106095.php

"This is the first year that the (total) digital-camera market will show negative growth in both units and sales value," he said.

To achieve the sales goal, the company's main strategy is to focus on DSLR (digital single-lens-reflex) camera sales, as this segment has high demand and is expected to post annual growth of 20 to 30 per cent from this year on.

While the market for compact digital cameras is saturated after rapid annual growth of 20 to 30 per cent during the past three years, demand for DSLR cameras is taking off, he added.

Compact digital cameras account for 90 per cent of the Thai market, while DSLR devices take the remainder."

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/bizchina/2009-06/30/content_8335755.htm

Sales of professional digital cameras will see an explosive growth in China this year although the financial crisis has reduced global demand for technology products, according to a top executive of Japanese digital camera maker Canon.

Tatsuo Yoshioka, vice-president of Canon China, said its sale of single-lens reflex (SLR) cameras in China is expected to increase 115 percent this year as Chinese consumers continue to evince keen interest in professional photography.

"The growth rate of China's digital market is slowing this year due to the global economic slowdown, but the demand for SLR would continue to see an explosive growth," he said.

Yoshioka said Canon's sales proportion of compact digital cameras and SLR around the world is about 10:1. "But in China, the ratio is 20:1, which means there is still huge market potential," he said.

Canon is the biggest player in the Chinese digital camera market, with a nearly 30 percent share, following by Sony, Samsung and Nikon, according to domestic research firm CCID Consulting.

The company has recorded nearly 30 percent growth in the country during the past few years, making China Canon's third largest market after the United States and Japan.

According to CCID Consulting, SLR shipments reached 752,000 in China last year, an increase of 52.2 percent over 2007. The research firm said the relatively high profit margin of SLR products and accessories such as lens has attracted many companies entering the field.

Anonymous said...

http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssConsumerElectronics/idUSSEO17633820090331

SEOUL, March 31 (Reuters) - Samsung Digital Imaging, a camera-making affiliate of technology giant Samsung Electronics, said on Tuesday it aimed to increase its global market share in compact cameras to 12.5 percent in 2009 from 10.4 percent in 2008.

The affiliate (108070.KS), spun off from Samsung Techwin (012450.KS) and 33 percent owned by Samsung Electronics, also said it aimed to increase its digital imaging product sales to 5 trillion won ($3.59 billion) in 2012 from about 2 trillion won in 2008.

"We will focus on premium products for future growth," said Park Sang-jin, CEO of the company, at an event to unveil new camera models.

Mharda said...

I do like this blog and as the owner always say: look, read and draw your own conclusions...

Sometimes I find RH's criticisms to harsh, but still it gives me some things to think about.

I'm not a fanboy, but I would say a loyal supporter of the PENTAX brand. But being loyal, doesn't mean being blind! Most of the issues is see addressed here are real. However, everybody weights these issues according to his/her own priorities.

I'm rather shocked at the ISO performance, but as there are many other improvements I did pre-order the K-7 (coming from a K-10D).

RH, please keep up pointing out the good and the bad of PENTAX camera's.

Anonymous said...

Interesting sales figures, but I don't believe dslr sales in China will achieve this growth level for long.

Canon 30 percent sales share? Isn't that a drop from other countries?
Sony is the one to watch: Canon 30 percent Nikon close, that leaves a whopping figure for someone else.
Pentax is right to grow Dslr sales then, as profits for compacts are low.
Pentax will survive, but Canon and Nikon are already losing share to other players. Especially in the West
Doesn't Olympus make the cheapest DSLR now?

Anonymous said...

Hi "Ricehigh", you managed again to post very negative comments based on one single rumour (n=1). Why are you constantly bashing Pentax? Just leave us - happy Pentax users - alone and get a life!

Have you nothing better to do than bashing and slamming Pentax? Fall dead man, you are an ass hole.

Anonymous said...

RE: Interesting sales figures, but I don't believe dslr sales in China will achieve this growth level for long.

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Actually, the growth in China will make it a target market. They have a growing middle class looking to buy this kind of gear. Look again at the figures, and then include video in the mix.

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"Sales of professional digital cameras will see an explosive growth in China this year although the financial crisis has reduced global demand for technology products, according to a top executive of Japanese digital camera maker Canon.

Tatsuo Yoshioka, vice-president of Canon China, said its sale of single-lens reflex (SLR) cameras in China is expected to increase 115 percent this year as Chinese consumers continue to evince keen interest in professional photography.

"The growth rate of China's digital market is slowing this year due to the global economic slowdown, but the demand for SLR would continue to see an explosive growth," he said.

Yoshioka said Canon's sales proportion of compact digital cameras and SLR around the world is about 10:1. "But in China, the ratio is 20:1, which means there is still huge market potential," he said.

Canon is the biggest player in the Chinese digital camera market, with a nearly 30 percent share, following by Sony, Samsung and Nikon, according to domestic research firm CCID Consulting."

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Canon has 30 percent of the entire Chinese digital camera market; not just DSLR's. That's one out of every 5 people on the planet. The ratio of getting move-ups from compacts to something with interchangeable lenses, with video, is very favorable for investment. What's not revealed is the DSLR share that each has; and here the Sony and Samsung brand names carry more weight - so Canon and Nikon won't likely see their 80 percent DSLR share as enjoyed elsewhere.

Anonymous said...

RE: Pentax is right to grow Dslr sales then, as profits for compacts are low. Pentax will survive, but Canon and Nikon are already losing share to other players. Especially in the West.

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To me, that's fanboy propaganda. Ned already explained that Pentax cannot compete with the majors in terms of volume or channels. Hoya's looking for 460,000 units in 2009.

http://www.reuters.com/article/ousivMolt/idUSTRE4AO0C220081125

Canon last month cut its 2008 compact digital camera sales forecast by 6 percent to 23.5 million units, though that would still mark a year-on-year jump of 10 percent. It stood by its estimate for SLR sales to rise 38 percent to 4.4 million units.

Demand for SLR cameras has grown strongly over the past few years, spurred on by a drop in prices that has expanded the customer base beyond professional and advanced amateurs. That has meant big profits for Canon and Nikon, which dominate the high-margin segment of the market.

Uchida said SLR demand was starting to show signs of "stagnation" but that it was not enough to knock its overall camera sales forecasts off track.

"According to our internal data, recent sales appear to have been fairly good ... no worse than we had thought," he said. "In fact, we saw our products gain some market share last week."

http://www.slashgear.com/two-big-continue-to-stomp-digital-slr-market-in-japan-3128291/

Anonymous said...

RE: Pentax will survive, but Canon and Nikon are already losing share to other players. Especially in the West. Doesn't Olympus make the cheapest DSLR now?

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Canon and Nikon are gaining DSLR share due to movie capability - the question is what kind of dent the hybrids can make. The lens adapters help here.

Olympus does not make a movie-equipped DSLR - Sony should have two on the way. Since Olympus did not choose to use mechanical stabilization for EP-1 video, can they make it work in a DSLR where vibration is a sound-recording issue with internal mic's?

Pentax' survival is dependent on Hoya's patience - they have to meet 2009 goals first. The 645D to me is a complete distraction.

http://www.answers.com/topic/pentax-corporation

"Yet the company's commitment to film cameras, a policy held to by the founding Matsumoto family still in control of the company's direction, was to cost it dearly into the new century. The arrival of the first digital cameras caught the company off guard; by the beginning of the 2000s, the company's camera sales had dropped in half."

Anonymous said...

I don't believe Canon and Nikon will sustain these figures at year's end.

Sony will move up because it has a much bigger skills base than either of these companies.

And it is hungry.
DSLR sales will drop off because the reason for owning a dslr is not for video or live view per se.
It's to see the image through the lens and have more flexibility
with lenses.
A purpose-built movie cam is cheaper that dslrs with movie and gives better results.

Live view is more efficient with digicams and focus quicker.
Simple Macro is a breeze with digicams.

Dream on Canon and Nikon fanboys.
The icing on the dslr cake (movie and liveview) will eventually melt,
leaving those who will pay for what a dslr has always been, but not every 18 months.

Manu said...

Hi Rice, I'm one of the people who reported this (minor) issue. It's interesting to see how you can blow out of proportion any minor problem.

BTW, why don't you report issues on cameras you actually own? How's going the noise banding at high ISO on your 5D?

Anonymous said...

RE: I don't believe Canon and Nikon will sustain these figures at year's end.

Sony will move up because it has a much bigger skills base than either of these companies. And it is hungry.

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Canon and Nikon have paid their dues, and can purchase whatever tech they need. Check the recent Nikon deal for an imaging partner.

Sony has nothing on Samsung when it comes to digital imaging or "hunger" - Samsung does everything from 12 MP cell phones to cameras, and has a huge overall digital market share. They are a focused division, whereas Sony corporate is into everything, and losing money in many places.

The relative DSLR shares by year's end, I believe, will not change for Sony - the total DSLR market is too large for any minor player to gain share ground - the percentage increase needed for anyone except Nikon and Canon would be humongous. Do the math as to what it takes for any minor participant to gain even ONE point in an expanding total market.

Canon has a Japanese plant coming on line in 2010 for 4 million annual units. They have the ad budget and media buys, and so does Nikon, which seems to have invested heavily with the Ashton Kutcher campaign.

I see nothing in TV ads for anyone else but (C) and (N).

I think that part of the reason for Sony's DSLR existence is the production cost-break that they get by selling their sensors to other makers - if they depended on their own sales, they'd really be in the red, moreso than they are now.

Sony supposedly has two video DSLR's coming - and then we have to see if sensor-shift is their albatross in terms of both performance and noise/vibration. It will be awhile until we see those reviews - DPREVIEW has already refused to review the Panaonic 14-140mm lens, since they have trouble sourcing it stand-alone. They claim that they are swamped with equipment to test.

Anonymous said...

RE: DSLR sales will drop off because the reason for owning a dslr is not for video or live view per se. It's to see the image through the lens and have more flexibility with lenses. A purpose-built movie cam is cheaper that dslrs with movie and gives better results.

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http://www.prlog.org/10275712-image-mechanics-announces-the-collision-conference.html

This conference is intended for professional photographers and filmmakers interested in working with DSLRs to create moving and still imagery. Attendees will leave this event armed with the latest information and tools to prepare their businesses to withstand the coming challenges as traditional photography collides with film making.

"With so many photographers caught off guard by the first wave of the digital revolution, we felt it was important to get in front of this rapidly emerging trend," says event co-producer Tom Stratton. "Clients have already begun demanding these services from photographers, and we felt it was crucial to organize this conference even as this hybrid shooting style emerges," he adds.

“Redrock Micro has been at the forefront of the convergence of DSLR and filmmaking,” said Brian Valente of Redrock Micro. “We’ve seen the unbelievably fast adoption of these cameras and approaches, but also the resulting confusion and questions that arise. Collision Conference is the first definitive single source of practical information, state of the art workflow, and experience shared from top shooters. This event is incredibly useful to photographers and filmmakers interested in working with DSLRs create moving and still imagery,” he says.

Anonymous said...

RE: Dream on Canon and Nikon fanboys. The icing on the dslr cake (movie and liveview) will eventually melt, leaving those who will pay for what a dslr has always been, but not every 18 months.

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http://asia.cnet.com/crave/2009/06/12/sony-video-recording-will-be-a-necessity-in-dslrs/

Sony: Video recording will be a necessity in dSLRs

It is ironic for Sony to comment that a video-recording feature will be a necessity for dSLRs, because its recently launched Alpha DSLR-A230, A330 and A380 entry-level models don't sport this function.

The trio will face fierce competition from Canon's EOS 500D and Nikon's D5000 which offer a minimum of HD-quality movie recording. Also, the pricing of the A380 in the US (US$850) is almost similar to the Canon dSLR. So why should consumers pick the Alpha over the 500D?

Regarding this issue, Sony's Toru Katsumoto commented that the company has noticed that HD movie capture in dSLRs has boomed since Canon introduced the EOS 5D Mark II last year. The , senior general manager of the AMC Division in Sony's Digital Imaging Business group said that if the market desire for such a function increases, Sony will definitely meet consumers' needs. But for now, the company is targeting first-time dSLR users/buyers. To ease the learning curve, the A380 and its siblings employ a user-friendly interface so even newbies can learn how to operate the snapper easily.

(i.e., Sony has been asleep on this based on this 6/12/09 interview, and is playing catch-up. Canon has a head-start and low pricing, to keep the competion out)

Anonymous said...

Many different complaints on DPREVIEW for K-7

I sent Ricehigh a list of URL's, and since some of the issues were already noted, it's not fair of me to pile on more than the Pentax owners did via repetition.

The complaints are all over the place, which is not a great sign.

I will leave it to Ricehigh to comment and sort it all out - but anyone reading the DPREVIEW forum has to wonder what the heck happened.

My own sense is that there's a problem with this Samsung sensor in terms of what got delivered for the K-7 - and Pentax themselves asked reviewers to wait for something newer to work with. While firmware can mask/correct problems, IMO this goes deeper than firmware.

Here's one recent thread on that very topic:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036&message=32374499

After looking at some test shots I have come to the conclusion that the Samsung sensor probably has problems at ISO 3200 and 6400. The test pictures I have seen from Nikon and Canon cameras at those ISOs are MUCH better then Pentax pictures, being it K-7 or K20D.

Now - of course - it is always a possibility that the tests are flawed. But - if they are not - the difference is there - and it is big. Canon and Nikon can - without any problems - be used for ISO 3200 and 6400. For Pentax thats not so clear cut.

At ISO 1600 and below the difference is not all that important.

Is this problem - if true - important?

Yes and no. I can live with a camera that goes up to a useful ISO 1600.

But - if true - it sounds somewhat unnecessary. Why not buy sensors from Sony and get that 2 extra ISO steps?

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036&message=32381115

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Inoahnoah replied:

Don't forget that you can take shots at ISO 1600 with SR on that people with Canons and Nikons would have to dial up to ISO 3200 or 6400 in order to capture. So it evens out in the end.

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Pete responded:

Not true if they are using an IS lens.

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(The fanboys need to stop rationalizing, and using these pathetic straw-man arguments. When you pay $1300 for a body, it's supposed to perform without crutches to stated specs).

Anonymous said...

Yeah and mirrors are falling out on the Canon 5D's.Michael Reichmann had a bunch of 5D MkII's give up the ghost in Antarctica.My own 5D quit working while shooting in a very light mist in Yosemite and had to be sent in for repair.There is no perfect dslr rice, since your giving up Pentax and seem to be a 5D user, why don't you do some reports on the Canon full frames?There are links all over the web, and they're not as obscure as most of your Pentax links.Ehh buddy?

Anonymous said...

You should just rename this blog RiceHigh's Trolltax Forum.

Here, spend some time watching this lovely video made by a K-7 and its happy owner.
http://www.vimeo.com/5520766

Anonymous said...

RE: There are links all over the web, and they're not as obscure as most of your Pentax links.

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Obscure? Try the Pentax DSLR forum. Who else is even BUYING this camera?

Major cameras get out to heavy users pre-release, and stuff is found very quickly. There are some major Web sites covering those brands that dutifully pick up the story, and keep pressure on the maker by following through. There can be 10 or more updates as the company notifies those "approved" sites of progress. No one is happy about it, but "stuff happens" once the public gets hold of it.

The nature of the Web is that one source can become 20, with the latter 19 parroting the first. So the idea of ANYTHING as "all over the Web" is by its nature illogical - look how much Ricehigh gets quoted, and he quotes other sources, as do I. Like ripples in a pond; but only one pebble.

As I said, I gave Ricehigh the list - there are about 4 or 5 different problems surfacing; some of which he may have touched upon already, including this one (since you brought it up)

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036&message=32360648

I was so disappointed that I was packing it up and returning it to AMAZON.

My co-worker was very curious about the sensor size of APS-C so I lifted up the mirror and showed her. She then asked me HOW COME THE SENSOR is CROOKED?
I was like???

I couldn't believe what I saw. I have 3 K20D and 2 K10D and cleaned the sensor many many times and I have never seen a crooked sensor. I thought it could be the SR therefore the sensor moves freely inside the body. BUT if that was true then it should position differently every time. I then turned of the power and light turned the camera side by side. I heard the sensor is moving inside the body but when I lifted the mirror it was still in the same position.

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(With the K-7, the sensor is capable of deliberately tilting for horizon correction)

http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-dslr-discussion/63588-pentax-k-7-automatic-horizon-correction-feature.html

Perhaps that's where the problem lies. With every improvement made to a product comes problems needing to be sorted out. It's supposed to be limited to one degree. No one would visually see a 1-degree tilt in looking into the camera's throat. But before this, the sensor could only move horizontally and vertically.

Anonymous said...

This is clearly fake. It is Ned Bunnell's photo. Please remove this post or let your readers know that it is fake.

born2b+Plus said...

who cares about Canon, Nikon, Pentax, who is who, and what is what....
real photographers (person who enjoys taking pictures) are out somewhere taking pictures with whatever they have..instead of how their camera is shitty or not..stop whine about what you have ...just enjoy life..photographers are meant to take pictures with whatever the cameras they have..they don't whine about little shit..like Rice does..obviously ..

Jon said...

I hereby declare Ricehigh as a Pentax "Bashboy" (ie someone is so entranced into bringing down the reputation of a particular brand that he or she cannot think clearly.)

Anonymous said...

I hear the sound of whining abroad in the land .....

Someone says "who cares about Canon, Nikon, Pentax, who is who, and what is what...." ...

... and yet, here they are. Why? If they can shoot with anything, why the interest? This is what's called the "straw man" argument, used when there's no point to make.

If you don't like hearing about Pentax' problems, please tell them to get them fixed, so there's nothing to talk about. Most Pentaxers have waited VERY patiently for a camera of this level - and Pentax ends up delaying reviews and replacing firmware, or whatever. This is not a way to launch a high-end camera costing $1,300.

No one is enjoying this - I know I'm not, and I'm sure that Ricehigh is not. He's had a lot invested in following what Pentax has been doing, and was looking forward to the K-7 moving the brand forward. Now, he feels violated - and so should some of you. The K-7 announcement was the first time in years that I saw a vestige of what Pentax engineering could do; so I commiserate with him.

Pentax lacked that kind of criticism, which any company needs to hear from the user base.

About three months from now, we'll see how it's selling. I expect price cuts, because that's what they did with the K20D, also originally priced at $1,300 for the body.

Sometimes, things just go past the point of no return - and I'm afraid the competition has put Pentax into that position.

Anonymous said...

Are the new canon and Nikon dslrs better photographically or just feature-wise?
Just read dpreview reviews of Nikon 5000 and D90:
The 5000 has no better image quality than the D60; the D90 is no better than the D80.

Are the new Canon and Nikon dslrs better photographically or just feature-wise?
Just read dpreview reviews of Nikon 5000 and D90:
The 5000 has no better image quality than the D60; the D90 is no better than the D80.

The Canon 50D (15mp remember) is no better than the 40D; the 500D is no better than the 450D.
If you love movies and liveview you get it. But picture quality?
No improvement.
Canon and Nikon owners thinking of trading up? Save our money for ourselves, buy a purpose-built movie cam and/or a G10.
Full frame? Go Sony. It's cheaper and works better in harsh environments. See Luminous Landscape.
I dunno about Pentax, and don't care really that much. But Canon and Nikon owners are no longer getting value for money.
My 10D will last a long time yet.
To see the real difference between 6 and 16 mp look at the following:
http://www.sphoto.com/techinfo/dslrvsfilm.htm
Compare 6 and 16mp Canon shots. Be prepared to be surprised!
The 40D is the best Canon Dslr of recent times, and the Nikon D80 is the best value for max resolution.
Best value Nikon ever is D40;
Best Value Canons ever: 300D /350D 10D.

Ned Swan said...

I am the happy owner of a Pentax K20D. I loved the pictures I got with it.

Now I am the happier owner of a Pentx K-7

Sure, I would have preferred that it be a Nikon D300 clone stuffed into a small, ergonomically brilliant body with, in-body ASR, video, 77 weather seals, and great, specially designed for DSLR Limited lenses, and a price under £1200 (with a very good, weather resistant kit lens).

But, if Nikon owners get lucky, that may be the Nikon D400 or D500. And will that be under £1200? What do you think?

I am grateful to have a better body, better LCD screen, faster AF, better low light performance, better color resolution and sharpness equal to my beloved K20D.

If I don't like the noise, I will use Noiseware--just like I did with K20D.

I am happy to have had the opportunity to buy the K-7. Pentax is on the right track, and I am sure things will improve as time goes on.

Anonymous said...

I love my Pentax K200D like crazy.
It takes great shots.
Auto iso is so useful.
My K100D at iso 3200 is awesome!
I use both at the default (Bright) setting with contrast and saturation turned down a notch.
Exposure compensation?
K100D: +0.3 stop
K200D: 0.0 stop.
I take the 200D out in poor weather and never worry, just put some clingwrap around the 18/55 lens in a couple of places.
I love that I can choose RAW at the touch of a button on the K200D and back again.
Who worries about other makes when none give this sort of build quality at their prices?
Pentax at least feel like real cameras, not cheap plastic construction. It makes me happy to keep them for longer.

Anonymous said...

Oh come on, was the Pentax marketing department's homework assignment for today to leave poorly written obviously fake comments on Rice's blog?
Regarding the split screen: OBVIOUSLY FAKE. Look at the blueish reflection, it is cut in half, so apparently the picture was constructed in Photoshop. This is also backed up by the fact, that the image can not at all be from the user as it is from Ned's blog! They got you by the balls Rice :-)

daedbird said...

Clearly, the problem is a fake (the photo was tampered with from Ned Bunnell's blog.....

THIS POST SHOULD BE RETRACTED!

We know RiceHigh reads the comments section, and a responsible journalist would go out of his/her way to accurately report the truth. I conscious blogger would not a fake story stand. RiceHigh, if you have sense of decency, you would state that the photo is a fake (or there is strong evidence to show it is) and at the least, add that to the blog post.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, it sure looks like the photo on Ned's Blog that I saw recently whiel he was describing some of the K7's functions.

What's going on here, Rice? Were you standing next to him?

schmuki said...

Rice, why so silent? Are you afraid of admitting your error?

Your facts are fake. Admit it. How many of the facts in your other posts are fake?

Nobody takes you for serious anymore. This is just ridiculous and transparent.

Reveal who you are working for.

But I must say your blog is entertaining. Instead of trolling forums you write a troll blog, and people buy it. They can't even complain about your trollism since they came to your site. Well done. Now please tell us who you're working for.

Anonymous said...

Elsewhere RH tries to dodge the obvious fake by stating it "illustrates" a problem.

RH, this whole blog illustrates your sad story of Pentax hatred.

But I have to say, the blog has improved recently. It has acquired a kind of tragicomical real life satire quality that wasn't there before.

Anonymous said...

ricehigh, you have completely lost my respect. This shot is a fake photoshopped from:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Imqe7pprpvs/Sk7gDeSGcdI/AAAAAAAACgQ/JHY8k5FzhvY/s1600-h/Multi+Exp+1st+Exp.jpg
on Ned Bunnell's blog.

Just read that sorry, I wont believe in what you say .....

Anonymous said...

Bumped into this just now and it really is funny. To think people actually believed this crap. You don't need to know where the original picture was hacked. For those pictures to be true, either the K7 uses an EVF or a dodecaprism under the hump.

A year after this generated heat, Pentax is very much alive with an MF dSLR and the K7 still a hot item.

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