Sunday, June 14, 2009

Hypocrites of the PentaxForums and Their Lies

Further to my last post on why I have to leave the PentaxForums and will not post overthere anymore, I copied and pasted the whole post at the PentaxForums to say fairwell to my buddies and true friends overthere for the last time as I had remarked.

Here is my last farewell post at the PentaxForums. In fact, I expect that would possibly be deleted very shortly. But up till now it was just closed by that Marc Langille whom is just a Radical Hypocrite and Lier but nothing else. (The details will be told below.)

I take the opportunity here to thank for all the buddies who have replied and aired out for me for the unfair treatment and persecution that I have been receiving for long. Since possibly that thread might be deleted in the end at the PentaxForums (as those Mods have done that for many times before in a very rude way for all those 100% Pentax gear related threads and posts before), I copy and paste the replies here and my special thanks to *all* folks below, who have expressed their kindness to me as well as support and encouragement:-

Quoted:-

zntgrg, "You could really open your own forum (not joking)"

xhanatos, "as zntgrg mentioned, consider starting your own forum."

davebris33, "this forum is run by the self important


Hi,

I agree with ricehigh and his supporters wholeheartedly. I only lurk nowadays and don't join in with the 'forum' as the 'forum' seems to be a vehicle for a few individuals who take themselves far too seriously and make a mockery of the whole idea of a forum, which is a place to discuss upon shared values and interests.

I have noticed increased antipathy towards anyone who says anything good about other brands, any constructive criticism against Pentax...Oh the list goes on!....What the forum does well is really good...The invaluable lens reviews, camera reviews , market place etc ..What good work from such few people, but this rabid fanboyism, FF carping and self importance of a few moribund and self important 'moderators' drives me mad...Which is why i generally don't join in anymore.

If people want to shoot me down, save your breath and your fingertips, I won't get dragged into anything, it's beneath my and any semi sane and literate persons' consideration.

Stop flaming people, stop being up your own a***s and go and take some photographs, instead of worrying about what great photographs you might be able to take if only you had blah blah waffle blah waffle.....

dave"

ll_coffee_lP, "I appreciate RH's contribution as well. Whether his opinion is well received or not is irrelevant to me as it's just his opinion (the same as it's just people's opinions who complain about him). I find RH's information interesting - and anything I do read I follow up more on so that I can have a balanced opinion that I am comfortable with.

Good luck RH!

c[_]"

jfsavage, "I check your blog each day and will continue to do so. I appreciate your contribution to the Pentax world, even though it will not be as part of this forum."

AlbertSiegel, "Too bad... I enjoy reading what you have to say. You were the only one who provided us with real news on the K7 in my opinion. Sorry to see you go. Wish you continued success with your blog."

er1kksen, "I find this a bit unfortunate, as your blog often does have useful (or at least interesting) information and it's certainly no skin off my nose, or anyone else's, to simply visit a website... if the host gets a little revenue from the visit, like them or not, who cares?

I just feel that, if RH was linking to completely irrelevant links to generate traffic, or making outrageous claims in posts and then linking to a somewhat more mundane reality written up on his blog like some tabloid... well then that would be shameless self promotion and a negative thing. But I haven't seen that since I've become a member. Like him or not, I don't really see what the big deal is here."

and, "Well, maybe some of the anti-RH fightclub members are now also going to stop posting since they loose their prey. what will they do now that they cannot hijack threads and turn them into personal attack frenzies. Maybe they will first celebrate "we have woooon!"and then when the party is over they will start to think "..what do we do now...". Heres hoping they wont single out another victim to harass until they leave"

Mystic, "well it was a little too dramatic, but i understand..

i had similar situations, when leaving a girlfriend.. wanted to say all in one letter, so i kept on writing and writing..
but, I liked RH criticism and liked his news, he could find interesting stuff, so i'm bookmarking his blog, and will follow his blog. although i most certainly will not comment there..

good luck RH."

Cambo, "This place is DEFINITELY getting nastier...

Originally Posted by NaClH2O View Post
All I can say RH is bye.

NaCl(and don't let the door hit your a$$ on the way out)H2O
See? Is there any need for that? How about we slam it in YOUR face, buddy.

This place is getting as nasty and 'cliquey' as the PDML now is, which is why many good people and knowledgeabe photographers left that place in droves as well. I was on there staring in about 1997 or so. Not any more. Some of the most 'famous' Pentaxians on the net used to hang out there...not any more. This place is going down the same road, I fear.

Originally Posted by davebris33 View Post
Hi,

I agree with ricehigh and his supporters wholeheartedly. I only lurk nowadays and don't join in with the 'forum' as the 'forum' seems to be a vehicle for a few individuals who take themselves far too seriously and make a mockery of the whole idea of a forum, which is a place to discuss upon shared values and interests.

I have noticed increased antipathy towards anyone who says anything good about other brands, any constructive criticism against Pentax...Oh the list goes on!....What the forum does well is really good...The invaluable lens reviews, camera reviews , market place etc ..What good work from such few people, but this rabid fanboyism, FF carping and self importance of a few moribund and self important 'moderators' drives me mad...Which is why i generally don't join in anymore.

If people want to shoot me down, save your breath and your fingertips, I won't get dragged into anything, it's beneath my and any semi sane and literate persons' consideration.

Stop flaming people, stop being up your own a***s and go and take some photographs, instead of worrying about what great photographs you might be able to take if only you had blah blah waffle blah waffle.....

dave
I feel this way as well. I've reported a BUNCH of nasty stuff towards other people and was basically told to go away. Some of the moderators are EXTREMELY biased, and some biased against Rice High for some strange reason. He has been beat up so bad around here it's disgraceful, and in full view of the very people who should be lambasting these ***holes. He deserves an apology, IMHO.

I have very much appreciated the time and trouble he has spent doing his best to keep us informed. What positive contributions has NACL above made recently, except to be nasty, rude, and arrogant and get away with it?

The moderators are gradually losing control of this place. Some of them are not putting out spot fires so they are turning into full-on raging flame wars, and then they give nasty warnings to the people reporting it. At least, that has been my experience.

Originally Posted by jfsavage View Post
I check your blog each day and will continue to do so. I appreciate your contribution to the Pentax world, even though it will not be as part of this forum.
Likewise, Rice High, a lot of the sensible people around here very much appreciate your posts, and all the research time you have spent on this stuff, and it really is too bad this place is being hijacked by a bunch of total jerks, most of whom don't even post a single photograph.

Will be checking into your blog regularly. Best wishes.

Sincerely,
Cameron"

Now, the thread has yet been closed again, but that hypocrite and radicalist Marc Langille is still lying in his last reply before his closed the thread. I have some responses here to unveil his mask and his lies:-

Quoted, "Most of you know I rarely weigh in or wade in, so here goes... in the interest of disclosure..."

No problem, I shall disclose more as your "disclosure" contain all lies!
  1. "Adam has directly asked RH to stop posting in this way - more than once."
This is my last conversation with Adam and he didn't reply that since then:-

Re: URL Linkings at the PentaxForums

Originally Posted by RiceHigh
I have been trying not to bother you for times when your mods Joele and Chris do injustice and unfair things or even personal attacks repeatedly to me. But this time, I feel obliged to clarify if this is just your will to do so:-

http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/307316-post23.html

If it is, I will follow your will - just because the Forums is set up and hosted by you. If not, why only me cannot link to my pages?

If some pages must not be linked at the PentaxForums, the simple thing is to set up a blocked URL list, like what DPR has been doing, I'm afraid. (Of course, I am not "teaching" you how to run your own forum, but it looks simple and straight forward to me for the case if such an intention really exists - but it looks no good of course if the bad things of DPR are carried forward here)

Thanks for reading and listening and I would be much grateful if I can hear a feedback from you on what you think and want me to do.
Hi Rice,

I'm currently on a cruise in Greenland, with a photo group, enjoying the beautiful scenery and getting some goereous iceberg photos.

The only internet here is the ship's sattelite link, which is slow, and is pretty much only allowing me to send PMs- hence, I can't check the thread.

However, I understand that Buddha and Joele know that unless posts have content associated with a link, they shouldn't be allowed. Now that's only a rule of thumb- I wish I could check out your thread and tell you what I think, but I can't at this time. PM me again on or after August 10th, when I'm back home, and I'll check up on the issue. Thanks, and sorry for the trouble!
__________________
Adam - Site Webmaster"

Everyone can note the comment of "Rule of Thumb" in his reply.
  1. "Those requests also include my communication (PM) to him before the warning was issued. He was online after my post in his thread letting him know that the issue was being discussed."
What "communications"? I have just figured out that you deleted thread for all the discussions contained in them without any notice (as you can do with your "power") for the Pentax History thread. I don't even know that not until just a few hours ago when I read back my profile. But since Adam has undeleted your deleted thread, it seems he does not agree completely with his dirty and rude action with poor intention, or he just had some considerations of other things.

The above Pentax History thread contains various interesting supplement information by others indeed about the name of Pentax and its history. Other forum members added other things like the origin of SMC and how the Asahi Optical Co. bought the patent as well. It *should* have been a nice summary and fruitful discussion in return and I did intend to point the thread back by updating my blog article as a nice roundup and supplement. But that Marc Offenser just so rude to delete the thread one-off. This is actually very irrespectful to all the posters and totally arrogant. Really very very bad!

So, he needed and had to delete the thread because of one thing? That is, it is a thread that started by me?? What wrong with my that opening post and the thread and all the discussions in it??? I am totally pissed off!!

As for the Unboxing thread, you closed and locked the thread almost at the same time you sent me your PM, what's the big deal and your intention to "communciate" as such??

For all man's reference, here is the "moderation summary" on my posts and threads as captured in my PentaxForums profile:-

Latest moderator actions on your posts/threads

Date Thread/Post - Forum Moderator Action
1 06-13-2009 11:27 PM I am Leaving the PentaxForums! Goodbye, Folks!!
Forum: Pentax News and Rumors
Peter Zack Closed Thread
$1200 at Japan Edited" alt="20"> 06-13-2009 06:32 AM K-7 price according to American Photo
Forum: Pentax News and Rumors
Peter Zack Post $1200 at Japan Edited
1 06-13-2009 04:17 AM Breaking News: K-7 On Sales in Hong Kong!!!
Forum: Pentax News and Rumors
Peter Zack Closed Thread
16 06-13-2009 04:16 AM "Pentax" Was "Contax"!
Forum: Pentax News and Rumors
Adam Thread Undeleted
6 06-13-2009 04:16 AM "Pentax" Was "Contax"!
Forum: Pentax News and Rumors
Adam Thread edited. (visible: 0; open: 0; sticky: 0)
14 06-13-2009 03:03 AM "Pentax" Was "Contax"!
Forum: Pentax News and Rumors
Marc Langille Thread Soft Deleted
First K-7 Hands On Report!! by RiceHigh Soft Deleted" alt="17"> 05-19-2009 11:37 AM Hands on with Pentax K7
Forum: Pentax News and Rumors
Damn Brit Post First K-7 Hands On Report!! by RiceHigh Soft Deleted
Reason: Surplus due to duplication of threads.


2. "My PM to Michael/RH clearly requested that he copy and paste the contents of the link into the message body, nothing more."

So what? Your request is not reasonable and there is NO Justice NOR FAIRNESS of any kind, as you hypocrites always do. You can make any request as you like and whether I should follow is my rights!

3. "It's never been an issue with the information - it's the format presented. Again, this has been discussed before (not just once) with Michael, but multiple times."

What "multiple times"? Has Adam replied back ever since my last "interim reply" received from him. He said, "that's only a rule of thumb"! You Lier and geniue Hyocrite, our Holy Marc!

There is another chain of conversation between mine and Adam, in which both our stances are clearly contained. Whilst I ask for fairness, openness and transparency, Adam actually still insists on my self-censorship of the "negative commentary" which he did indeed "feel annoyed himself"!

Re: Post Deleted.

Originally Posted by RiceHigh
I wish to report Peter Zack abuses his moderator's power to delete my post which might contain viewpoints which he disagrees with and do not want to see. (I would be of no surprise as he was one of the overreacting forum pals who liked to personally attack me from time to time when he was just an ordinary member).

For that thread and deleted post, I replied exactly point by point for what the OP asked, e.g., Pentax's AF is not fast especially when the OP owned a D300 b4 and K-m's AF is proven to be faster than the K20D (with evidence), what's wrong with that? Why delete my post with an iron hand?

With someone like Peter Zack who can "moderate" the PentaxForum in this way, I am afraid that the PentaxForums will just be yet another "Pentax Praising" forum with white horrors which is indifferent from the DPR's! Sad. Really sad..

Originally Posted by Peter Zack
Rice High, We have been moderating negative comments against all brands that are not posted in a constructive manner. As a result your post on the following thread 2 questions on the K20D-about to purchase has been deleted.

Peter Zack
Modeation team
Hi Rice,

I've now un-deleted your post as there was no technical justification for deletion.

However, personally, I'd like to ask you to cut out the negative commentary in the future. You're doing it all the time, and it's starting to annoy myself as well as many of the forum members. I hope you understand!

And, the further conversation on the same incident:-

Re: Post Deleted.

Originally Posted by RiceHigh
Okay, Adam. I guess I get what you meant. Noted with thanks.

On the other hand, I hope that your moderators should give more fairness to me in the future and they should not penalise me in any way, especially considering that they are the "moderators" whom is supposed to do their moderation jobs in a fair and open/transparent way.

Originally Posted by Adam
Hi Michael,

Frankly, I'm not going to go through your entire argument as it misses the point of what I'm asking. I'm also not filtering your replies- if I were doing that, I'd have decided to leave your posts in a deleted state, and probably also ban you from the site- but I did not, and will not, do that.

All I'm asking is to consider changing the nature of the things you post here. A majority of forum users views your posts as generally negative; in the long run such posts are not helpful and typically unwanted.

Therefore, while it's fine you post something controvresial that not everyone is in agreement with, just don't do it all the time. And if you do post things like that, make sure they have a positive or helpful purpose!

I have a slim doubt that the negitivity in your posts is an illusion, and that they "just don't come out right" when read by others. If this is the case, think about why people are reacting that way, and try to adapt to it.

Thanks.

Originally Posted by RiceHigh
Originally Posted by Adam
Hi Rice,

I've now un-deleted your post as there was no technical justification for deletion.

However, personally, I'd like to ask you to cut out the negative commentary in the future. You're doing it all the time, and it's starting to annoy myself as well as many of the forum members. I hope you understand!
Adam, thanks for your "undeletion" and your kind reply.

However, I think I have to let you know my disagreement on your stance about my "negative commentary".

I just don't understand why in an *open* forum, you would get annoyed for any speech which does not actually violate any forum rules for *open* and *free* discussions. Especially, considering that I just *answered* questions asked by others. Since they asked, I answered to their questions 100% on-topic, what is that "negative" thing that "I am doing it all the time"? Should you actually say you're got annoyed because of those members' opening questions?

In this case, do note that it was the OP who asked, "I do some photography of sports, mostly snow skiing and want input as to just how slow the AF is compared to other cameras." I just give my inputs to him as per his request. The hard fact is the D300 he owned was way faster than the K20D which he is asking about, especially for the AF speed difference.

If i need to be inhonest when I reply (or I am forced to do so), I think it is totally meaningless for me to participate here anymore. Afterall, I provide the OP answers with *facts* and let him decide. (whether you or others are annoyed because of my "negativity" would be another issue, which simply is not my concern here - I just only want to help the OP).

Furthermore, I would like to let you know how others on the net are now thinking about the PentaxForums just because if it is too biased than good, here is an recent comment given by a reader of mine at my blog:-

http://ricehigh.blogspot.com/2009/01...67727669747146

In fact, I have *never* given any negative comment about the PentaxForums but only positive ones at my blog so far (and I do link to the useful posts at the PentaxForums too sometimes). So, if my readers think like that, I think it is just something you, as the site owner of the PentaxForums, should think deeply and more about it, frankly.

I do appreciate your efforts in building and improving the PentaxForums from time to time. However, I would say your stance and intention to filter the speech in your forum do no good to your place instead. Adam, I do regard you as a friend of mine, otherwise I won't talk that so much to you.

Okay, hope you really think about the problems and potential impacts. Again, I hope you don't mind about my "negativity" in my this reply. See you.

Best Regards,
Michael
Thanks for understanding.
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People do, all will be seen by God and other people will judge! I have no secret of any to be kept in all these cases which really show again and again much about the evils of the human nature afterall!

In the end, those PentaxForums many of those "Moderators" are just "Attackers" afterall, they dared not to let threads all about Pentax and gear went on, no matter the threads are positive, neutral or what so-called "negative". As long as those threads were and are opened by me and I posted there with some of my links (or even not, e.g., for Peter Zack's previous deletion of my post (See Above: I only say about K20D AF is not as fast as Nikon for the SDM, then he deleted my post! What?), they have to "eliminate" me with immediate action!

When they dared to do the evils (in this case persecutions with iron hands), why tried to pretend to be looking good in front of people? There is only one word to describe such people, it is, Hypocrites!

I have been trying to discuss peacefully and respectfully with Adam (and so did he in his replies - civil, polite and respectful). But however, his allowance and total permission to let his Mods (or customers anyway) to penalise and step on me and his stance to persecute me is very clear. My tolerance does have limit and I would rather go myself! But of course, I should let the world know how bad they are. Next time when you want to do a "donation" to "support" people like those, please re-consider and think twice! Or, in the other way, if you want to have the superior power over these places, you can try to "support" and donate more!!

As for the Pentax community, the saddest thing is that there is NOT any single English Pentax forum that is not running non-commercially or not money related, in addition that there are already rare on the net, the declincing DPR one and the rising PentaxForums are the only two with larger member base and more frequent visits.

I know that people need to earn a living or "to recover the server and admin/time costs". But the outcome and hard facts are just Money and Interests Do Cause Evils. Or, it should be: People Do Evils When Money and Interests are Taken into Accounts! When those stupid blind brand loyalty and fanboyism are added, the situation becomes very worst, which is actually indifferent from the Hell!


As for me, actually anyone who has followed My Blog long enough can see, I have NEVER deleted even one comment made by anyone at this blog (except those general internet spamming Ads by automatic robots) - even for those with severe personal attacks (but I know that they are *Pentax* fanboys). When I could do things so openly and with an open-mindness and free of speech in mind all the time, why all those super conscious forum owners could not?

At the end of the days, ONLY one word can give answer to my this question: Money (and all those different kinds of personal interests involved), which is the only difference!

13 Comments:

jerrymouse said...

Grow up. Seriously.

I enjoyed reading your blog till the last 2 posts. Now I'm definatelly removing it from my RSS.

jaad75 said...

I had nothing against you and your posts even if you were wrong many times, but now it's clear to me - you're just a frustrated moron.

RiceHigh said...

No problem. I am providing a free service here and it is my *personal* blog where my personal opinions and feelings are also expressed.

I am not writing a blog restricted to the stuff you like. If you like, stay, if you feel disgusted, just leave - just like what I do at the PentaxForums, although their provided services are indeed not free, in contrast, as they have been begging for money.

Anonymous said...

Any Pentax news?

Anonymous said...

Seems you have more time on your hands then you admit to..... :)

Anonymous said...

Honestly you do post a link to this blog too much. I shouldn't even have come to this site if you were not self promoting.

If you never wanted to self promote you can easily just copy and paste the content without any special mentioning of your blog to prove them wrong.

However, I enjoyed your news on the k-7, many thanks on that.

Finally, what I see is the problem is that you're too picky and complain too much. Imagine if your wife or someone keeps on complaining. You'll probably feel repulsive regarding the above statement, but maybe try to be a bit more easygoing.

Anonymous said...

Do you actually take pictures, or do you just talk about taking pictures? Where can we see pictures that you've taken? There is a saying that when you point fingers at someone else, there are three pointing back at you. I find it very amusing that you accuse people of being unkind, then you resort to name calling yourself. You are only showing your true self when you respond in such a fashion.

RiceHigh said...

I just tell the truth.

And, some of my photos can be found in the "My Photos" Label section of this Blog.

PeterZHeng said...

Hello Rice,

My here gov take to block the blogger, also I has cut down some interest as Pentax.

I just today read it. I can understand your descriptive situation.

Some gunmen can get the gain. However, that is not only a PentaxForums, like DPR's Pentax forum also are these gunmen. Also, over there would have several fool fanboys to kicks up a row.

Some gunmen take to swear black as white. Anyone, which you cannot reflect the "negative".

Who is victim? Consumer! Especially several fool fanboys.

Rice, you should be no longer devoting one's mind to Pentax! I want to hear your review on Nikon or Canon, as the multiformity! Take the more contrast in between several manufacturers.

Regard
PeterZheng

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sdc said...

Ricehigh, as you know, I have always supported you in the past... but is this really necessary? I truly believe that the moderators at Pentaxforum.com have been fair. I for one, welcome your posts. It is true, that there are a number of members that would rather see you disappear and have begged Adam to delete you. But please, let's give Adam and the other moderators credit for not giving into the majority mob!

Try to act a bit more positive... remember...that some of the members are like little children with their favourite toy..

Seriously, this blog entry also makes you look bad as well.

RiceHigh said...

> Seriously, this blog entry also makes you look bad as well.

I don't mind to pose a bad image for some people for their own perceptions as long as what I have told are true.

My intention of this post is to let people be aware of what are happening at those "open" forums on the net as they seem/pretend to be.

nemesis101 said...

I have no desire to enter into this vitriolic slanging match, but it does not help your cause when your post is spattered with schoolboy-level spelling errors like 'lier' (liar) 'fairwell' (farewell) etc. It just makes the whole post look petulant?

nemesis101 said...

And what in God's name is 'measurbation' Did you mean measurements or???

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