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Thursday, May 19, 2022

Why Pentax Has Failed at Mirrorless?

See what PetaPixel says about the failure of Pentax in the mirrorless market, despite the efforts paid in the past two decades.

By the way, for what PP has listed out for the 37 interchangeable lens digital cameras wich Pentax has ever produced, I have bought more than one-third of all the models as follows:

From 2003 to 2021: My Pentax APS-C bodies acquired: *ist D/DS/DL2, K-100D, K-m, K-x, K-r, K-5, KP and K-3III, total 10 out of the 29 models produced.

From 2011 to 2014: I bought the original Q and the Q7, hence 2 out of 4.

From 2016 to 2021: I got the K-1, but I don't think Pentax has really produced 2 full-frame bodies as the K-1 II actually is just a mild variant of the original K-1.

From 2010 to 2014: I purchased the 645D, 1 out of 2 for the medium format bodies.

So, I acquired a total of 14 Pentax models out of the 37 that they have produced.

Besides what PP has mentioned about the causes the failure, which I generally agree with, I think from the user's perspective and practical point of view, the K-01 and the Q series failed in two major ways, which are the lack of EVF and fast Wi-Fi support. I consider that these are basic essential features nowadays, especially for mirrorless cameras and for easy social media sharing on-the-go. All in all, the external LCD monitor is really rather difficult to view under bright light environment outdoor. Without an EVF, it is indifferent to shoot blindly and composition and shooting have become rather difficult with such handicapped mirrorless cameras.

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I am not going to invest any Pentax full frame system because I don't see the brand going anywhere. But I would love to continue using my Pentax lenses because they are good. You have owned both a K5 and a KP. Would you say that KP is a worthy upgrade of K5? If so, how significant is the upgrade, please? AF? Exposure accuracy? I am thinking of getting an newer body than K5 just to be able to use the Pentax lenses again. Which body would you recommend, please? Thanks very much.
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Jabalung, many saw the KP as quite a downgrade from a K-3 (Mark I or II).
The KP was a bit "cripple hammered":
- reduced RAW buffer, only 8 frames
- shutter life expectancy down to 100
- USB only 2.0
- only single card slot
- no GPS
- no metal any longer in the body frame, all plastic
- battery lasts for only 420 shots (embarrassing, worse than many mirrorless cams today).
Please make sure that none of the above would hurt you too much.

For carrying over Pentax lenses into a modern environment, you may consider the adapter LA-KE1 (by Monster for Sony E), which supports even screw-driven Pentax lenses. I don't own one, but if you deem your lens collection worthy enough to be carried over into modern times, at least as a starting point before upgrading gradually to modern mirrorless (high-performing but compact) lens designs, you might consider the LA-KE1.
I have the Sony A7III but have never been satisfied with its colour reproduction no matter how I adjusted it. Noise wise it performs really good with much image details retained and low noise at high ISO speeds, far better than the Pentax Full Frame bodies, IMHO.
Thanks Derek for the recommendations.
I have been waiting for a 2nd hand KP to turn up but they are few and far between. At the end, I got a second hand K-70 and I am loving it. It is like a little brother of KP to me. My last purchase of Pentax DSLR was a K-5, hence, K-70 is already quite some upgrade for me technology-wise. I do also own a Sony A7III with the exact Monster adapter you mentioned. For some reason, I enjoy shooting with the K-70 more so than the Sony. There is magic in Pentax cameras (and lenses). It could be the ergonomics, the colours, the picture quality or something else. This little K-70 actually makes me wanna take more pictures.
KP is much faster and accurate than the K-5 and with better image quality but the K-3III is even better. However, I found that the K-3III worked better with newly designed lenses whilst the KP worked better with older lenses IQ wise. So, it all depends what you will use with your new body. Of course, KP should have the highest price-performance ratio after all. I hope this helps.
Thanks Ricehigh for the recommendations. At the end, I got a K-70 instead just literally 3 days ago. I would still love to get my hands on a KP but they are hard to find at a price point acceptable to me. K3III is too expensive and also too heavy for me. So far, loving every bit of this little K-70 and will shoot more pictures with it.
Congrats on your new Pentax body! Enjoy. :-D
Ricehigh, I think beyond the two major reasons you gave for Pentax' mirrorless failure, there are three further also quite major ones, adding up to five "major" reasons in total.

3) The "triple A": autofocus, autofocus, autofocus. Pentax failed to adopt the opportunity to get rid of the DSLR misfocusing imprecisions, by not using mirrorless on-sensor phase detect AF technology.
With DSLR, there are so many reasons for the front/backfocusing hell (=that just one single "fine tuning" value per lens can't accommodate those reasons).
- chosen aperture
- chosen subject distance
- chosen focus point location (center versus off-center)
- zooms: chosen focal length
Which is the reason for that DSLR focus fine tuning hell, which causes more frustrations than solutions. All gone with mirrorless on-sensor focusing. New levels of sharpness reliability.

4) not exploiting the opportunity of having a new mount, with a reduced flange distance, which would have been a relief for many lens designs (higher optical quality for lesser size and weight).

5) not exploiting the EVF opportunities, such as
- live histogram
- live over/under-exposure warnings
- focus peaking (the successor of the old analog era split or micro-prism screens as inevitable aids for focusing lenses manually).

Instead, DSLR annoy with the burden of cycling through doing a test shot, review the result, on the back screen, correct settings, doing the next test short, etc. Sometimes (of aged 40 or older) accompanied with having to change glasses each time when switching between OFV and screen. Problems to view a back screen under broad daylight. A workflow which is an non-ergonomic annoyance.

In short, regarding the K-01, it is not enough to just rip out a mirror out of a cheap DSLR and call it "mirrorless" then. Because if it isn't accompanied with important technological key advances to make mirrorless worthwhile, then it becomes what the K-01 is: just a mirror-crippled DSLR running in LiveView only.
I think the reason is Pentax's inability to make new lenses. Mirrorless makes sense if you create a new lenses, Penax failed to upgrade even the existing DSLR series.
I have all Pentax Q Cams. I use them now for adapting legacy lenses. The IBIS was really great in the 2010s.

Best Regards
Bernhard

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