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Wednesday, September 23, 2009

Ned Bunnell Still Confirms 645D, Spring 2010

See the latest news article of the British Journal of Photography (BJP), which quotes the earlier article of the PDN for a short interview with Ned Bunnell, that the 645D will probably come Spring 2010 and it is still confirmed at this moment.

The BJP has newly reported about the target price of the 645D, which is about £5000 to £6000, as learnt from "a colleague of Pentax UK". I think whilst this price is really high for average DSLR users, it is just an "entry level" price for medium format digital gear. Anyway, with that cost, we can buy a new cheap car to drive (excluding other additinal cost such as tax)!

Another new discussion about the 645D and this news has started at the DPR. People are wondering if the 645D will be available in Red, Green and Yellow etc. as what Pentax are offering for their new K-x. That is still a good idea, I think, as the 645D can penetrate the toys market and to be sold at the Toy "R" Us later on! ;-)

Well, more seriously talking, I just wonder how many units Pentax/Hoya will manage to sell for the new 645D and how this Pentax 645D business can be profitable, in view of the "low" price it is to be sold for the body and possibly not much 645 lens sales can be generated. After all, the (digital) MF market is really a small one. In fact, the film 645NII is discontinued this month and in the financial year of 09/10, only 450 units of the 645NII has been produced (previously officially and directly told here). I am afraid that the 645D will only cause additional losses to Hoya and it will yet be another burden to Pentax. Whilst Hoya's policy on Pentax these years has yet been cutting every possible cost for anything that is not necessary, e.g., recent closing down of the historical Pentax museum, and their allocated resources are really limited, I just wonder why they still waste so much time and money on such a 645D project and marketing plan which is to be likely to cause even much more money loss to them! Why? Why didn't they just use the wasted resources to make a better K-mount DSLR system (including to re-introduce a 135 Full Frame lens system) so that they could have been more competitive?? I am really much puzzled..

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In 80/90s, most japanese photographer use Pentax Medium Format system to shoot the landscape. I don't think Hoya/Pentax should ignore this business sector.
2 replies · active 807 weeks ago
In 80/90s, most P&S shooters in the World used a Compact Pentax. In late 80s and throughout the whole 90s, the market share of Pentax P&S models (mostly IQ / Zoom XX) was about 35% each year, which was just more than the total of what Canon and Nikon could achieve! But then what is the market share of P&S DCs of Pentax right now? 1%? (or even less..)

I don't think Pentax should ignore that business sector neither but the reality is that those were all history of the past! For most of the time, look back too much on the past success is meaningless and that mind-set of "succession of the heritage" will only hinder the success of a company or even just hurt much.
I agree with you on certain extent. Bearing in mind that japanese prefer to use japan's product. There is no medium format digital from any japan company now. Therefore there is a market gap in Japan for medium format camera. I think Hoya/Pentax do the right thing that their primary market of 645D is Japan instead of worldwide.

Of course, it is a gamble. Hoya/Pentax has already invested a lot in developing 645D. If they leave the 645 market, they will encounter total loss. Just see if they could succeed or not.
>Hoya/Pentax has already invested a lot in developing 645D.

Relatively speaking, no. We spent much more on DSLR development. We spent more on K-7.
1 reply · active 807 weeks ago
For a project that was announced back to 2005 (when mock-ups had already been seen), how much time and money have been spent over these years?

p.s. You'd better ask the real Pentax yourself. Just don't pretend Pentax, you're not.
I will say it again. Relatively speaking, and in comparison to other projects, no. Categorically no.
I think it's a good move from Pentax IF the 645D pricetag is comparable with highend DSLRs (not higher than A900, D3, 1D prices). Pentax don't have a chance to catch the "bigboys" (Canon, Nikon), they need make somthing different...like 645D.

(Sorry for my english.)
RH:
"I am really much puzzled........"

Not the first or the last time ;)
So, you really believe that a Leica S2 alternative at a 65% discount has no future?
And that the PhaseOne / Mamiya user group will never expand?
Boy, what an insight for business...
If you ever expected a job offer from Hoya, you can kiss it goodbye...

This talk was done years ago when people like you wondered, "who will ever use FF DSLRs ?".
Now you complain that Pentax does not make one.
If Pentax scraps the 645D, I'm sure you will blame them for it as well.
1 reply · active 806 weeks ago
"If Pentax scraps the 645D, I'm sure you will blame them for it as well."<--agreed
imagine medium format cameras in hands of photographers when shooting Victoria's secret models
they are target customers, also landscapes, never enough pixels, and all that for price of good FF, that is good deal, also for future u can put much more pixels on same size of sensor than on FF
If pentax make good marketing, and warranty policy 645D will be in hand of every pro on market
imagine 30+ MP with high dynamic range and no noise at night city landscape, dream can come true
There is something someone don't seem to even think abou the possibility of a 645D :
i'm sure Pentax can make a good camera, but now in the digital medium and specially in the medium format, the software is as important as the hardware. What software wil be used with it ?

Pentax in the past and still now developed very lame software for both Mac and PC.
I'm pretty sure 95% of Pentax users don't use the Pentax soft, and just Photoshop, Lightroom or whatever.

But in the medium you need a very solid piece of software, as the other brand do (i'm thinking : Phase one and Hasseblad).

I'm very afraid about the software provided with the camera.
With no 'state of the art' soft, people will NEVER spend so much money in a useless medium format camera.

Pentax have never been able to procude a good software, why now would be any different ?
2 replies · active 806 weeks ago
+ ppl that want to invest in such a system want to be sure the system will stay here for a very long time and that the corp won't collaps any soon… 2 things you can't be really sure about it…
I can see that Hoya/Pentax want to make the 645D cheap and entry level. We shall see if this price cutting strategy will work, or not. In fact, they have done it again with the K-x, which is set to be sold at a lower price than the 500D and D5000, of which Canon and Nikon possibly will lower the price to fight anyway.

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