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Monday, January 30, 2012

My K-5 Impressions after the First 1,000+ Shots (Somewhat Detailed)

Here is a quick pure textual first review of mine. So, please don't ask me for any picture, sample nor any supporting test data, as there is none! Bear in mind everything could be subjective and not scientific, but then I am trying to be as objective as I could be when writing these! ;->

1. Focus Accuracy and Speed

The AF speed is fast and responsiveness is good when the lighting level is good (and of course the object is at least somehow contrasty). But when lighting level is dropped and especially when there is yellow light, it is noticeable that the camera needs to think for more time before the AF motor starts to move. I am sure that the K-r does not have such a delay and the difference is quite significant. However, the AF focusing accuracy of the K-5 under yellow light is obviously better and it is just more reliable. Nonetheless, if I had a K-r and set a -10 focus adjust, the AF is clearly more snappy than the K-5 and the K-r wins here! :-o

Btw, here are two Youtube videos which show the AF speed and performance of K-5 in good daylight, the first is with the DA18-135 DC and the second demo is with the DA*55 SDM, presented by the same Japanese K-5 user:-

K-5+DA18-135 DC AF Speed Demo:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYhjhnM4FRs

K-5+DA*55 SDM AF Speed Demo:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWj97A5TdDk

2. Metering and Exposure Accuracy

The 77-segment metering of the K-5 is pure junk, I am afraid, as what I've commented before for times each time I used it (I meant for both the K-7 and K-5). It is as worse as (or even worse than!) the old 16-segment metering system of my 2003 *ist D, which I hated much about its erratic metering. Once again, the K-5 "77"'s behaviour is totally unpredictable and it tends to under or overexpose the picture in large amount with great errors without any good enough reason! And the underexposure tendency is actually higher and the error is even large. Really Damn It! In fact, the 16-segment metering of the K-r is far mature although it still by no means can be called intelligent, when it is compared against other truly intelligent metering systems of the Nikon and Canon.

Now, I've switched back to Centre-weighted Average (CWA) metering with my K-5, which yet to be quite good and reliable and this one is indeed more accurate and consistent than the CWA meter of my K-r. When it is used with the AEL, automatically (I set AE to be locked by default when AF is locked and use the central AF point only for most of the time) or manually (to override the former by first pressing the AEL button), my K-5's utter stupid crappy 77-segment metering problem is completely resolved! :-o But then still the sad thing is that I lose completely a modern metering system and I have come back to the old days decades ago when I first learned to shoot! :-(

3. Image Quality

(i) Colour Response

The K-5's colour is more "pure" than the K-r, which depending on whether one would like it or not, one could call the colours "fake" if liked and it could be more Disney looked, no matter how I fiddled with the Custom Image profiles and settings for my own "preferred" colour response.

(ii) Dynamic Range

DR of the K-5 is actually not really superior as highlights are easily clipped. There is not enough DR tolerance and highlight headroom above the mid-tone, which I believe it is just worse than the K-r which is doing a better job for this aspect. It is therefore it is not a good news for those who don't want much post processing and does not want to shoot RAW nor those who want to "expose it to the right". As I told here from my various researches before, most of the DR of the K-5 is at the shallow side, which means that the K-5 is a camera which is very suitable to be underexposed when taking pictures. And now I finally know that why the 77-segment meter likes to underexpose the pictures for many occasions whenever it likes! ;-p "Yes!" "The pictures can be saved!" :-o

(iii) Noise Performance and Noise Reduction/Processing

The K-5 is the true low-light camera ever for its superb high ISO performance. Set everything at Auto including the high ISO NR. With the default Auto ISO selected up to ISO 3200, the low noise level, colour and details retained are all amazing and it is indeed very impressive. Consider that the sensor has 16MP in just APS-C size (which is only 44% area of the 135 full frame), I must praise Pentax has done a really great job here. The K-5 clearly outperform the K-r from ISO 800 to 3200 in this regard of which is yet better than that of my NEX-3 (16MP Vs 12MP Vs 14MP Sony CMOS sensor with the same gene, I believe).

4. P-TTL Accuracy

With only the built-in flash I have used, the reported P-TTL overexpose issue at higher ISO is found to be real. I programmed the latest firmware 1.12 in my K-5 shortly after I'd purchased it. The strange thing is that this problem is more obvious with older Pentax FA lenses than the DA ones. Up to ISO 1600, I can see at least a +0.5 exposure difference (overexposure) than when it is at ISO 100 with my FA lenses (primes or zooms), such that manual negative (-ve) exposure compensation is a must. (Maybe at ISO 800 a -ve 0.3EV flash exposure compensation is always required.) The problem is made worse here as K-5 is rather weak at the highlight side where it is easy to clip. But the tricky thing is that for and with DA lenses (primes or not), the problem seems to be not as noticeable and severe.

5. Mirror/Shutter Jumping and Disorder (a battery related issue, I bet)

I experience three times of double shutter actuation amongst the first 1k-shot use of my K-5. All these happened when I used a third party replacement-type battery and when the outdoor weather is a bit cold (10 deg. C something) and when the battery voltage is at extreme level (two times for just fully charged and one time when the yellow battery warning indicator was seen). Lucky that I haven't experienced the same problem with my original Pentax battery. So, I think other manufacturers like Sony and Canon have been doing the right thing to prohibit the use of 3rd party batteries with their newer firmwares.

In fact, this problem actually is not an uncommon one with my K-x, when new Li batteries (with higher voltage) or NiMH batteries (with much lower voltage of the type) were used and when it was used in the same colder weather in Winters.

I think my K-r is the most stable Pentax body for escaping from this problem so far. This double shutter actuation issue only happened once for my 8k+ shot use of it, IIRC (or maybe two at most).

Nonetheless, the K-5 mirror disorder is a widely report issue. In the course of watching the AF speed demos by the above user, I so happened to notice that he had his K-5 mirror jumped crazily for what he also uploaded for videos to show what happened, here they are:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bOHhtyRzPs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buOrrYsKBfw

Maybe the above user just used his K-5 to do the AF for too many times but without firing the shutter so that the camera finally decided one day that it should fire back all the shutter counts that it should have fired (but had not been fired by the user!)! ;-D =_="

With that infamous problem of the K-5 (which were widely and mostly reported in the last Summer), I actually dared not to buy a grey market K-5 as I really need one-year warranty of it and am required to wait for the next Summer to come, before I could know if my K-5 will go nuts or not in the field, despite that the grey market goods are more than US$100 cheaper! :-(

Okay, I would opt to stop here this time and maybe if I have more to say later, I shall post back and write the next part.

Well, some might be interested on what are my judgement on the build and user friendliness of the K-5, which I think is trivial. I always give almost full marks there. When it comes to all these and customisation of a camera, the Pentax deigns are always well thought and carefully designed, and with the best ergonomics.

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Metering and Exposure Accuracy - brilliant for me, I've put 77 segment metering: FA77 with exposure compensation 0, FA43 and FA135 with +0.3.
Sometimes, I correct it...But no problem to correct some picture in converter. Very rare.
DR is outstanding. Really good work with mid-tones, shadows and tones. I use Phase One C1 Pro 6.2.
White balance is THE BEST I EVER SEEN BEFORE. Even In complex light condition is very good.

NEVER USE INCAMERA'S JPEG.

No any problems with battery - I've shot a lot of picture under -20°C made during 1 hours. Every Saturday and Sunday.

I can't understand your opinion

as for focus speed and accurancy - it's the same SAFOX as I knew it before. а bit faster, a bit more tenacious in good light and rather unpredictable in low light condition with FA LIMITED. But under yellow light - YES. It's very good, Rice.

I think - need to use K-5 during 2-3 weeks before make any conclusion...

But, it's paradox. K-5 is not ideal, but I like it VERY MUCH. More than *ist DS or K200D or old film cameras...
1 reply · active 687 weeks ago
I do like my K-5 so far, otherwise I would have "bashed it to death" already! ;-)
By the way, JPEG Is GOOD. Sharpness, WB, colours.
But I prefer not to use JPEG at all, and maybe your conclusion about shooting in JPEG?
1 reply · active 687 weeks ago
As you might have known, I rarely shoot RAW these days. Btw, the JPEG of K-5 by itself is not bad. And shooting RAW doesn't mean that exposure can be done coarsely, i.e., it is as important and I do still want to make it right at the first time so as to get the best IQ out of the camera.
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bandymelis · 687 weeks ago

I had not experienced any of the problems you list with my K5 after making a few thousands of shots. The only problem I do experience is that the Pentax K5 (at least my unit) is just not able to do CDAF focusing with the Tamron 70-200/2.8 lens. It just does not find any object (after trying to focus the picture remains absolutely fuzzy). No problems with other lenses, only the Tamron. I do not know if its a camera problem, or a lens compatibility issue (probably, lens). Otherwise, autofocus works fine (normal AF, I mean).
1 reply · active 687 weeks ago
quite the same problem with sigma 70-200/2.8 unable to focus in liveview but perfect with ovf
AF claims seems to be OK, but metering is little bit more complicated to claim, K5 sensor is ISO-less and you can tweak RAW file exposure freely under ISO 1000. By default highlight clipping is big problem and you have to underexposure and restore it in RAW processor. Compared to my 5d2 with much better default features in metering, I use K5 is high dynamic environments with much better results than from 5D2. Some examples: in sunlight K5 beats and allows to restore shadows, stage lighting, same issue, also in some situations 5D2 does not allow colors to alter in lightroom, but K5 has lot of room.

K5 is not JPEG camera definitely, if you need accurate jpegs, buy Nikon, its matrix metering is best in the world and does decent job for jpeg.

I keep my K5 quite long, it has been once in service but this is normal if you use really your camera.
I concur the metering works very well for me, I leave it on multi-segment meter almost all the time unless I do creative shooting or particular complex scenes.

And the DR- the amount of color and details I can pull back from some of my accidentally under-exposed Japanese travel photos are life savers.
Sounds like k-5 is a great snap shot camera, kind of like a glorified P&S, not that anything is wrong with that.
1 reply · active 687 weeks ago
I don't think that's what he said at all. I think Rice was pointing out deficiencies he sees with AF in yellow light, which if his Kr comparison is any indication, could be fixed with firmware.

The pop-up flash not being perfect? no pop-up is. Rice gives kudos on low light and high ISO shooting, and as far as HDR - well that is still an evolving shooting option. And it appears Rice is warning others to not by third-party batteries for their camera on the shutter/mirror front, and I agree, never buying aftermarket batteries for my cameras.

Nubi, most DSLRs, if not all, are pretty good diverse cameras, not point and shoots in the least. You do not get the same level of settings on a point and shoot you do on any DSLR, from the Kr to the D4. THere is great variation amongst them (never say a Kr and D4 are in the same league) but they are all more than point and shoots. My K10, despite being six years old, can still do a lot more in still photography than the newest point and shoot, plus no shutter button lag.
Obviously, you have a sub par board or something else wrong with the camera. Swap it out for a new one would be good advice IMO.

best
1 reply · active 686 weeks ago
Yes, either my unit is "defective" or its all about the "user's fault"! >:-o
Rice- you missed the dr Assesment. Y several hundred light years! Set the k-5 to highlight priority on and the entire tone curve will shift. You will get about one full stop
More dr in highlights!

You lose one in shadows but the sensor has so much shadow range that it will be more than fine for most situations.
High Rich high is the metering that bad on the K-5 I was thinking of getting one but now you've put me off a bit.
1 reply · active 648 weeks ago
Tom don't be put off K5 is a stellar camera. I sold my 5Dmk2 for it.K5 is my go to crop sensor cam.I use nikon FF also

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