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Tuesday, November 29, 2011

Still Annoying K-5 and K-r Old Issues, Users are Pissed Off!

It seems that the product life spans of K-5 and K-r have both come near to the end. There are evidence of that K-r has been discontinued and that K-5 replacement should come in the foreseeable near future for its drastical price drops worldwide since fall October.

In fact, I have seen today that K-r in a variety of different colour options are being sold overseas, which is yet the strong sign of that K-r has been discontinued and Pentax is trying to clear the remaining stocks as soon and as far as possible (same phenomenon happened for the K-x right before when the K-r came out).

Now, I know that many Pentaxians are attracted much to buy these lower priced offers, of either the K-5 or K-r. But it is also a good time to sum up the latest issue and bug reports of both cameras, so as to avoid any possible remorses in the near future (no matter how "cheap" it would be for the purchases!):-

1. Let's see the incorrect level indication of the K-5 electronic level meter, of which the (QC?) problem seems to be still common (yes, since day one and up till now, for a year now!):-

http://forum.xitek.com/showthread.php?threadid=938063
(in Chinese, English Here (Google-translated))

http://forum.xitek.com/showthread.php?threadid=941645
(in Chinese, English Here (Google-translated))

http://www.dchome.net/viewthread.php?tid=1074731
(in English, it is reported that the error is in two to three degrees!)

The most mysterious case must be the following. This K-5 user reported that he got a new K-5, programmed/updated to new firmware, then problem arose. Got another brand new replacement unit, no issue at first, then updated the latest firmware, then the same problem appeared again! What? :-o

http://www.dchome.net/viewthread.php?tid=1081952
(in Chinese, English Here (Google-translated))

2. Next, let's look at the persistent and well-known infamous tungsten light front focusing issue of the K-r (which I confirmed on day one with systematic measurements) and here are yet two more example recent user complaints:-

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1036&thread=39935224

There are various example photos posted in thread. The user regrets much, but he simply didn't know there was such a problem before he decided, although it has been indeed well-proven and well-known. Whilst a number of responders in thread expressed the view that he simply hadn't done his research works adequately and well enough, I think it is basically not his fault, but Pentax is the one whom should be blamed instead, very frankly.

And, here is an angered K-r user because of this annoying K-r issue, which he thinks that it will never be fixed! (Yes, I think he is absolutely right!):-

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1036&thread=38198477

Nonetheless, I don't think the hope of this K-r user is anything realistic. It is supposed to be a hardware design flaw afterall. So, how can a new firmware cure it? >:-o

Besides, it is once again reported that the K-r also has the double-mirror flipping problem that I found both with my K-x and K-r under a bit colder weather (near about 10 deg. C something):-

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1036&thread=39951317

The first replier in the above thread has yet another issue with his K-r, which locked up and the mirror got stuck and didn't go down..

Against the K-5 mirror disorder issue, which seems to be caused by higher ambient temperature. Do we still see more of those K-5 mirror flipping reports after Autumn? :-)

After all, I really hope Ricoh should seriously look into these persistent issues and should try every effort to tackle them and remove that specific bugs and latent defects. At least, these should not appear again in the coming replacement models. This is a very critical time IMHO and it should be their last chance to save the reputation of Pentax cameras in system reliability and retain customers!


Related:-

One Will Never Buy a New DSLR or Any Gear IF..

When the Electronic Level Meter is Not Accurate by Itself..

Ten Things that I Want Ricoh to Do for Pentax

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full_frame_wanted · 693 weeks ago

Non-working electronic level is not annoying IMO. For critical work, the tripod bubble works good. What's annoying is the best Pentax lenses (F*, FA*) are no longer made and impossible to obtain. Where's the 85mm 1.4? The 24mm 1.4? 70-200mm 2.8 zoom? Teleconverter?
3 replies · active 693 weeks ago
Where? In the hands of those old Pentaxians like me! ;-D
There are several FA* 85mm 1.4 on for sale on eBay. At very high prices though.
I just wonder how the FA* would worth the current market price if it is just only used on Pentax DSLRs, I would rather choose the DA70 or DA*55 for portraiture than to acquire the FA*85, unless there was a FF camera to match with the lens!

My FA*85 was purchased for about $600 brand one decade ago. Now, it is asked for $1200 used or even dearer for "better" condition ones. My pardon?
Do not think Ricoh will change this a lot, they just amplify the game with much better marketing. 645D is for professionals and K5 is not. Canon APS-S line has also many intensional designs to prevent professional usage. That's life.
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bandymelis · 693 weeks ago

None of these issues with my unit.
1 reply · active 693 weeks ago
You have both K-5 and K-r?
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bandymelis · 693 weeks ago

By the way, a note to the "full frame wanted" guy. I have the Tamron 70-200/2.8 lens. It works just excellent with the K5. Its cheap (just $699 from Adorama), razor sharp, lighter than other brands, and the only one of the bang that focuses down to under 1 m, so could be used as a sort of a macro lens. Focusing speed is also OK.
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bandymelis · 693 weeks ago

No, I just have the K5 (and K10D also)
I need a sugestion.I have a K-x from december 2009 exactly at lunch with a Sigma 17-70 2.8 - 4 macro hsm OS.Now that the prices came down for K-5 should i go for it?
During my almost 2 years of using the K-x there are a couple of things that i saw lacking:
- When i do low light photography is hard to see the center screen when using spot.Also if you use dynamic points and choose the point diffent than center is kinda awkard that you can't see if you "fit" the dot to the object you want to photograph..The only way to tackle this is switching back and forth from LV to viewfinder.On lv you point the lens to where you want to focus and use the viewfinder to do the rest...
- second i really miss the magnification durring MF that was on Fujifilm 6500FD and from what i read k-5 have this and also k-r.First i thought i can just upgrade to k-r because is cheaper and have both the magnification and red dots but after i saw the problems of the k-r i pulled back...
- I used to calibrate the focus to acomodate the Sigma.THe problem when i bought the lens (resealed but with warranty) was that is hunting much more in dimmer light than the 18-55 kit lens..Sometimes in dimmer light i need to switch to manual focus or i can't take the picture at all..The intersting thing is for a week or so the things are better for some reason that i cannot really explain..I reconfigured the AF to -10um and used more the SR than the in-lens stabilization.Now the camera focus in dimmer light much better...Could disabling the OS from lens made the AF actually lock better?
1 reply · active 689 weeks ago
I do not recommend K-5 especially at this stage. You should see if the upcoming replacement model of it could have improved accuracy and reliability in terms of focusing accuracy and metering intelligence.

As for the MF assist magnification under the Live View mode with your K-x, just press the Info button to toggle.
Hi Ricehigh,
I'm searching a photo or manual of a K-r,
I just need to see the main board, becasue I've desassemble mine desoldering a lot of wires, and I forgot to write down on paper the color order of 4 wires, located on the left bottom corner of the main board.

Otherwise if somebody can make me this easy favor (I repeat, it's incredibly easy, need a screwdriver and 1 minute), need to remove the bottom of the k-r, ie unscrew the 10 screws (8 plus 2 on the edge inside of the battery door) and just look at the color order of the 4 wires that are soldered and somewhat hidden behind the display/LCD (using a tourch/light and a bit of an eye you should see well). http://www.melephoto.com/product%20reviews/Kr/ima...

From my pictures, should be (gray-red-white-brown) as they were attacked in order on the tape, but I can't risk.
If you can take a picture, will be the best
http://i.imgur.com/1uOQS.jpg http://i.imgur.com/38qcN.jpg

In need I can help if somebody needs photos and drawings of the disassembly and repair I made down to the mirror mechanism, of the k-r.... and other cameras.

And thanks for this very good helpful Blog!
3 replies · active 656 weeks ago
Bob, this is what you wanted:-

http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/img/dcw/docs/519/76...

via: http://ricehigh.blogspot.com/2012/04/inside-k-01....

In fact, the order of the coloured wires is the same as how they are tied (at the bottom)! :-)
Well Ricehigh,
how can I say thank you?

THANK YOUUUU!

Perfect, I go now to assemble the camera.
You're welcome~ Btw, will you dare to DIY repair your gear again for the next time? ;-p

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