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Tuesday, September 25, 2012

What is the Exact Layout of the f/2.8 AF Sensor(s) in the K-5II/s?

Pentax has talked and disclosed nothing about it at all so far. So, there is no information of any. But we can guess, there are several possibilities of the layout. Btw, I guess only the central AF sensor is modified so as to save cost, especially considering that the K-5II is just a "stop gap measure", as what it is just meant to be!

Before going on, still, we should have a look on the general structure of a phase-matching AF detection system and what key components are contained in such a system:-


Credit: http://kmp.bdimitrov.de/technology/AF/index.html

In general, as per each AF "point" that is consisted of two crossed linear sensors (which is generally known as a cross sensor by people), if a f/2.8 sensor is included, there are several possibilities as follows:-

1. Modifiying either the horizontal or the vertical sensor to a f/2.8 one. Indeed, this is the easiest and cheapest way to go. What it needs to do is to replace the pair of image projection lenses as seen in the above diagram. The purpose of this is to measure light from the outer part of the glass, instead of measuring the AF closer to the centre. There is simply no need to change anything of the AF sensor array as it is only about the AF projection lens pair that all matters!

Now with the f/2.8 sensor, if with proper software logic, higher AF accuracy can be achieved for fast lenses. What I mean for the "proper" software logic refers to the camera should choose the better measurement value that is closer matched to the actual f-number that is used. But this implementation has one major drawback, that is, with slower lenses than f/2.8, one of the crossed sensors will become blind and virtually the cross sensor will be reverted back to linear!

2. Both of the sensors are now f/2.8 - It is almost impossible as once a lens slower than f/2.8 is mounted, that AF point will be completely blind!

3. Additional AF sensor(s) *on top of* the old f/5.6 sensors - this is actually the prefered approach technically as no cross sensitivity is lost even if a slower lens is used. That will involve a new layout design of the AF sensing unit and array, though. Yet once again owing to the "stop gap" nature of the K-5II/s, this is quite unlikely.

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Pentax almost never shows technical diagrams, or detailed pictures about their af system. Some time ago I was searching by google pictures or diagrams of the SAFOX VIII af chip but I wasn't able to find anything. However a found 2 patents, US 2004/0161229 A1 and US 2006/0120711 A1, than help me to imagine the sensor layout. Now with the adition of F2.8 sensor, I can't imaging how the configuration looks like. It's a shame, you could find the exact layout of both Canon and Nikon sensor www.freepantensonline.com.
"Yet once again owing to the "stop gap" nature of the K-5II/s, this is quite unlikely."
I guess you're wrong again...:P
The diagram shown is a explanations for the SAFOX_2. A very old AF system that used in Z series film camera in 90s. It will mislead other users that are not familiar with pentax old system.
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It is used as illustration purpose only. The basic structures and working principles are actually the same.
Based on the cut-in-half K5ii at Photokina, it doesn't look like the arrangement in the AF module has changed. Maybe a couple small reflective or refractive elements under the first lens element have been removed and replaced by something simpler. Maybe this would have improved the sensitivity somehow.
http://www.popphoto.com/gallery/photokina-2012-ex... http://www.ephotozine.com/article/pentax-k-5-ii--...

Compare with K5: http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnmflores/50349071...
Hiya, have you heard of sensor issues with the K-m? Mine has developed a persistent (but inconsistent) dead area about 1/3 from the bottom and 1/2 from the sides - vaguely 'angel' shaped that is large enough to cause me real problems...It goes from looking like a smudge on some pictures to a crisply defined 'angel' on others. The camera is just over 2 years old. I know at least two others who have dead sensors in about the same area, but they only get it occasionally...I see mine in about 60% of my pictures

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