Well, after so many K-5 promotions that I have been put forward at my this site since right before it was announced, it's time for me to "sing blues" on the K-5! ;-D Actually, it always does no harm for some more critical thinkings before we are to be decided on anything, which surely will help to minimize the chance of wrong decision and remorse! :-))
Okay, here we go!
1. The 1/180th Maximum Flash X-sync Speed:
We all knew that this maximum sync speed is inadequate, which is even slower than the bottom of line EOS digital model, i.e., the EOS 1000D, which just has a higher X-sync speed of 1/200th second.
Practically, if we used to do daylight fill-in flash in the old film days, we would know that the 1/250th is very valuable so that a larger aperture can be chosen for a longer reach of the flash and that also if shallower DoF is desired. Of course, people would then start to argue that Pentax P-TTL system with dedicated flash is high-speed sync capable. But the question is: Should we be limited to use the few dedicated flash units of Pentax only? E.g., why we cannot use other good flashes like those latest Metzes with a higher stand flash speed sync that is supported? And, I also wish to remind those people about the limitations and shortcomings with all those high-speed sync flashes (brand regardless), e.g., the drastically decreased effective G.N. and flash output power (but with much increased power consumption on the other hand!).
Besides, there is one major important con for a camera that is equipped with a slow x-sync speed that is not so noticeable. In fact, the X-sync speed is not only an indication on the maximum shutter speed that it could be used with standard flash units, it is primitively just an indication on how fast the shutter blades and curtains are moving (and "line scanning" speed of the shutter for the Tvs above the X-sync value). As such, a lower figure just indicate that the shutter module by itself has lower performance. And with slower actual moving speed of the shutter curtains, it means that more undesirable artifacts than ideal are existent and could be seen.
Well, I always just wonder since the MZ-S and also with ALL Pentax DSLRs. How is it so *difficult* to break the 1/180s barrier?
2. The Inadequacy of the Pentax P-TTL Flash System:
First of all, there are currently 4 dedicated P-TTL flash units that we can choose. Besides the new macro flash AF-160FC and the just slightly better than the RTF AF-200FG that is practically not much meaningful, we have only the choices of the really old AF-360FGZ, which is actually the old flash that come with my old MZ-S back to 2001 and the also the now aging AF-540FGZ, which the flash re-cycling time is really slow for its old circuitry and design.
Whilst I won't comment further about the exposure accuracy and consistency of the Pentax P-TTL system (which you can still find many relevant information by browsing through my pages), I would draw your attention to yet one big deficiency of the Pentax P-TTL flash system and design which is not so well-known, that is, it has no Flash Exposure Lock of any. So, just imagine that if you have a camera that is without any AE Lock for Auto Exposure with Ambient Light and now that it is just the case for Flash Metering and Exposure..
3. The Outdated SAFOX AF and Layout Inadequacy:
While Pentax has now renamed the old SAFOX VIII(+) in the K-x and K-7 to SAFOX IX(+) with their latest K-r and K-5 respectively, which I believe there exists some yet unknown improvements by software maybe, the layout of the AF sensors and sizes remain totally unchanged. As such, obviously, the old problems exist.
With such a layout, how can one pinpoint more accurately if more precise AF is desired? The line sensor is just too wide afterall and guessworks are resulted.
Furthermore, the 11-point layout of such an AF system in a just more "advanced" DSLR AF system is just a joke. It is good enough for all those entry-level DSLRs by today's standard. But if such an old 9-year stuff is used in a "flagship", it is just too dated and inadequate.
4. The SDM Evil and that Unresponded/Untackled SDM Issue:
Well, this is really the most headache problem with the current Pentax system. Many people do avoid all those SDM lenses. But then I just wish to ask, how many more current Pentax lenses else that we can buy if SDM is really to be avoided? :-0
5. Limited Lens Lineup and Availability and Without any Clear Roadmap and Future:
Last time Pentax Canada "once" *officially* discontinued 10 DA and DFA lenses (which was shortly deleted for that piece of information anyway) and Pentax Japan has also discontinued some more other lenses including the older FA ones already. In real, we have not much choices at different countries and places in the world for buying some other just older Pentax lenses as well, e.g., the DA 14/2.8 - The DA15/4 seems to be the replacement, although this is not officially told. In fact, many of the Pentax lenses are rather difficult to find brand new and the availability is just very limited.
The even worse thing is that the future of Pentax for their DSLR development is totally unclear and the image circle of their lenses is in a big mess. Some DA lenses are covering 135 full frame but some does not. Amongst those that can cover full frame, some original lens hoods are compatible and some are not. Yes, people would then argue that all DA lenses of Pentax is "designed for APS-C only" and this is also the official information, as we all know. But then nobody knows why with the "same" DA lens *lineup*, this kind of ambiguity and confusion could exist! :-(
Whilst many old Pentaxians believed and have urged that Pentax should officially let we Pentaxians know that which DA lens would be Full Frame compatible and which could not, but unfortunately we never knew that and not even about what Pentax have been thinking and planning and if they would go Full Frame eventually or not.
Indeed, I think this is just a big obstacle for many Pentaxians to invest further on newer Pentax glass. How one can feel safer for their purchases without more hesitations when the future is just so unclear?
6. No Video Compression *Option* for Video Recording:
The K-5 has no video compression option of any. Just say it has no H.264, MPEG-4 (which just the old Pentax Optio MX which I purchased back to 2004 had!), not even to say the Sony-Panasonic proprietary AVCHD format (which uses H.264 compression algorithms anyway). The "ground breaking" thing is that the Pentax K-5 is the only Full HD video recording camera ever made on Earth that has no facility of any for any in-camera video compression *option*!
So, with such tremendous bandwidth requirement of that Full HD video stream which actually the SD cards are just unable to handle with the lack of an effective video compression, I am almost sure that the Pentax engineers had to resort to make more JPEG compression per frame which is the only way to decrease the bandwidth requirement. But then, the image quality suffers.
7. Same Sony Sensor, the Highest Price:
Compared to the Nikon D7000, which has better specifications in almost every aspect but with the same Sony 16M HD CMOS sensor, the K-5 is just overpriced. If it is further compared to the extreme, i.e. the Sony A55, which is yet again with the same sensor, the K-5 has just so little and minimal price-to-performance ratio and just has poor value after all.
8. The IQ of K-5 is Not Better at the Base ISO, but Could be Worse:
I have no doubt about the high ISO IQ of the images from the K-5, but how about the IQ at base ISO? Could it be better than the old CCD Pentax cameras like the K200D and K-m etc.? I am afraid Not! :-( In fact, I still like some of the favourable colour and tone response characteristics of my K-m better than both my K-x and NEX. So, if you just don't need highest APS-C pixel count and those higher ISO speeds, why "upgrade"?
9. There is Always the "Low End"!
When we still have the choice of the K-r with some omissions of features like the weather-sealing or the support of using a cable switch and socket, why pay the double to get a K-5? Well, not even to mention the high ISO performance of the K-r could be *even better*! (But it has less pixel count as we all knew.) IMHO, other feature differences between the K-r and K-5 is almost negligible, e.g., for the 6 fps Vs 7 fps continuous frame rate and etc.
In retrospect, the K-r can be even stronger! Just say the K-r can shoot 14 RAW shots in a chain against what K-5 can do for 7, only. One ridiculous thing is for this "high performance" DSLR that has a continuous frame rate of 7 fps, which just means that the user can only shoot for ONE second if he shoots RAW! :-o How come the buffer of the K-5 is just so shallow? >:-| Since they put a new higher-resolution sensor into the old K-7 body, they needed to increase the frame buffer size too, did they? (But they didn't!)
10. The QC of Current Pentax Bodies and Lenses MIP and MIV are Sub-par but Yet Unfortunately the After-sales Support and Services of Pentax are Just So-So:
I think I won't elaborate more, we have just too many complaints and stories for those quality issues and unsatisfactory or even ridiculous service "support" cases daily everywhere reported in the Web. As for a few amongst all those uncountable number of cases that have been reported here, search this Blog. To see the others, search the Web.
Indeed, my yet recent experience with the MIV FA31 had been totally disappointed and I was not impressed with the QC standard on AF accuracy of the K-x as well - I only managed to get my current K-x unit without any major and obvious BF/FF issue with my fast Pentax primes with 1 body out of 3 different units! So, it's your take to count the "lucky" rate! :-o And, if you are to buy a new Pentax DSLR, what do you think what is your chance of getting a "good sample"?
Update (10-27): To admire about the QC level and standard of the current Pentax factory, just view these late reports from new K-5 and K-r users:-
Some Reported K-5 Faults (Defects and/or Bugs)
K-r Defect Reports
Related:-
P-TTL Vs TTL: Is Newer Better? (How Auto Flashes Work?)
Compatibility of DA Lenses on Full Frame
FA 31 Limited: Assembled in Vietnam Vs Made in Japan - Case Studies
Poll Results and Summary on the Choice of Recent Current Pentax DSLRs
My Ten Reasons to Buy the NEX-3 Over the NEX-5!
• News about Products and Latest Company Direction
• Summaries of Reported Problems and Potential Issues
• Technical Articles on Photographic Gear and Technologies
Friday, October 22, 2010
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Richard · 751 weeks ago
BTW, my Nikon D40 has a real flash synch speed of 1/500 sec in manual. With auto iso, nothing else out there comes close any more. Great for photographing Badminton. For non-moving stuff? My K100D with in-built flash is fine for family ie close ie up to 4 metres. Best skin tones of any dslr I've seen.
Would I buy a K5 if I was in the market? After handling a K7 recently the answer is: If I could afford it (I can't) I wouldn't hesitate. Superb camera. I like Nikon too, and would buy the D300s if I could afford it. Not because the pictures are better than D90 but because it's a great camera to use.
ERR · 751 weeks ago
Toomas Kadarpik · 751 weeks ago
SDM is a real issue, hopefully the new DC motor does better, this is the only problem I see so far in your blog postings,
fortunately there is Sigma, Tamron and other vendors. I admire also Samyang 14 witch is manual focus but supports open
aperture metering from the beginning in Pentax. You just thinks that they do not care, they really read the information in the net and have improved many things in the camera, good example is focus confirmation in K-x and AF problems. K-5 does much better than K-20.
And there is most important thing, 90% users do not care about your complains, remaining 10% just have many brand cameras anyway and know exactly what they are doing with what camera, each camera has its particular problems and positive sides. K-5 weather and freeze proof body is quite good in Nordic countries with heavy snow. I think you can not walk into Nikon service with D7000 weather protection issues.
Richard · 751 weeks ago
Don't forget that most dslrs default to around 1/60 second synchro in Program Mode, including the D40. A maximum synch speed of 1/180 on my K100D is no great loss compared to most other dslrs today.
quatrecouleurs · 751 weeks ago
An other concern I have, is that all Youtube videos out from k-5 I saw have a lot of bad compression artifacts... But now, thanks to you, I know that this is not Pentax's fault ; so I'm now waiting for a full HD sample straight from the cam.
In France I saw a 150 € official rebate for Christmas on Internet offers... That's good, but the cam is still far from what I may afford to upgrade from my K10D.
quatrecouleurs · 751 weeks ago
Chris · 751 weeks ago
Except, of course, if you are looking at the NUMBER rather than quality of lenses.
C
Alex · 751 weeks ago
OK... let's have a quick look and spot few lies.
"While Pentax has now renamed the old SAFOX VIII(+) in the K-x and K-7 to SAFOX IX(+) with their latest K-r and K-5 respectively, which I believe there exists some yet unknown improvements by software maybe, the layout of the AF sensors and sizes remain totally unchanged."
No, Ricey, this isn't just some software improvement (how ridiculous, you're doubting even that! - despite people reporting better performance). The hardware is different - larger sensors and improved optics, said Pentax. You can say otherwise, but that won't make it true.
Of course, even the SAFOX VIII was gradually improved; the SAFOX IX is even better, with it's fast, precise lock even in not-so-ideal conditions. Yes, that's from first hand experience.
"The IQ of K-5 is Not Better at the Base ISO, but Could be Worse". And pigs can fly, above the frozen Hell.
I've saw high ISO images that are stunning. I've also saw low ISO images that are stunning. Well done, Pentax.
"In fact, many of the Pentax lenses are rather difficult to find brand new and the availability is just very limited." - have you tried a camera, not a grocery store? I have no issues in buying new Pentax lenses (except for limited funds). In Europe they seem very... available.
"No Video Compression Option for Video Recording" - That is big, I mean, you have absolutely no clue about video compression. There's no way this could be true, a non-compressed video takes a lot of space.
What is the truth, then? Pentax is using MJPEG, a standard but less efficient compression method (but easier to work with). In fact, MJPEG is better if there are a lot of changes between frames; though, overall, I'd say H.264 would be a better choice for the smaller files it's generating.
"The SDM Evil" now, now... how many SDM lenses did you had, and how many of them failed? ;)
SDM is not Evil, nor does it fail more often than the competition's similar tech (and I'm talking about the present, not the past DA* 16-50^50-135 issues). It's only issue is that is too low-tech for the DA*s; these should use not the cheap micromotors but ring-type or similar.
"IMHO, other feature differences between the K-r and K-5 is almost negligible, e.g., for the 6 fps Vs 7 fps continuous frame rate and etc." your humble opinion which is worth nothing.
The K-5 has a much better build quality; better ergonomics (e.g. dual wheel interface); better viewfinder; it's faster; it's higher resolution; it's so much quieter and most likely, it has better image quality (hint: 14-bit raw). It's worth every penny over the K-r.
Another thing: there is practically no difference between 1/180 and 1/200 sync speeds. And between 1/180 and 1/250... just use ISO80 instead of ISO100, and you'll be able to use the same aperture.
Richard · 751 weeks ago
The D200, 1/250 flash synch. BTW, whatever means is used, 'real' or 'unreal', to achieve 1/500 flash synchro on the D40, the end result is what counts. And the latter uses an electronic shutter which is possible with a CCD, whereas a focal plane shutter can also be used with a CCD but only with a CMOS sensor.
And now, about that pattern?
radiantlite 29p · 751 weeks ago
Eddie Boschma · 751 weeks ago
I just bought the SMC M 28.3.5, SMC K 28mm 3.5 and the razorsharp (5.6) SMC M 50mm 1.7 for peanuts.
Sold a lot of other old glass i had collected over the years. I cherish my Fa 31mm 1.8 L, Dal 21mm and dA 12-24 but only the 21makes sharp pics 99 o.o.100 clicks! (K20D)
F 80-200 is also a bargain (30 euro) and has nice IQ.
If i shoot under low light conditions too many pics have bad AF though, a real p.i.t.a.(despite AF corrections)
I will try out the K-5 soon and if the problem mantains i switch to Nikon and sell all my lenses!
Have a nice day!
Robby E · 751 weeks ago
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Tom · 749 weeks ago
1. Pentax didn't handle a camera from RiceHigh the way he expected ages ago. This was when RiceHigh swore to dedicate his life to fighting Pentax.
2. RiceHigh has some technical knowledge but sometimes he gets it wrong. No one should rely on his statements.
3. When RiceHigh gets it wrong it is always to the detriment of Pentax. Go figure.
4. When there are pros and cons to a Pentax product, RiceHigh will focus on the cons.
5. If RiceHigh has something nice to say about a Pentax product it is only in the form of "This announcement is promising / This new product should be cool / etc." but is then always followed up by oh-so-shocking revelations how bad things still are.
6. Despite Pentax producing the worst products on earth, RiceHigh has a Pentax camera and many lenses. Go figure.
7. Despite his Canon camera being the best thing since sliced bread, RiceHigh still keeps his Pentax gear. Go figure.
8. Because RiceHigh did nothing but bash Pentax in unfair ways, he has been banned from practically every forum on the internet. He had to create his own to still be a member somewhere.
9. The K-5 is the best Pentax DSLR ever. It runs circles around the model RiceHigh has. Still RiceHigh thinks it is worthless crap.
10. Most of the products RiceHigh discusses on his blog, RiceHigh has never seen first hand. He just compiles all the information he can find, runs his "negativity filter" on them and then publishes them pretending to be impartial.
starbase218 · 749 weeks ago
http://www.1001noisycameras.com/2010/10/new-penta...
Forget the title; a firmware cannot increase the amount of memory in a camera. Most likely they fixed a bug which prevented the memory to be used fully. You basically extrapolated on what you thought might be the case and presented it as a fact, spreading around a lot of FUD and doing everyone a disservice. Now it turns out you are wrong.
Ronny · 749 weeks ago
amnesix · 745 weeks ago
Let me guess... how many from those (happy) campers with a 1/200 X-Sync Speed cameras say they just wish they could have a... say... a 1/250 X-Sync Speed ? And so on...
2)The Inadequacy of the Pentax P-TTL Flash System
Do you have *any* idea of the percentage of pics taken *with* flash opposed to the pics taken using "organic" light ? No. I thought so. :)
3) The Outdated SAFOX AF and Layout Inadequacy
Works for me, thank you. Not for you ? Start practising. Probably the best way to spare time, compared the time you spend writing this... uh... blog.
4) The SDM Evil and that Unresponded/Untackled SDM Issue
I have the 3 DA* zooms, and never had a problem that was SDM related. And you know what ? I'm probably not the only one... keep that in mind...
5) Limited Lens Lineup and Availability and Without any Clear Roadmap and Future
Ho, boy... you really have problems...
6) No Video Compression *Option* for Video Recording
And I thought you were a photographer... you know, some say that Samsung, or Sony, make decent MOVIES cameras. I personally believe that pictures and movies are different jobs. Which require different tools.
7) Same Sony Sensor, the Highest Price
Oh. One part of the hunderts of parts of the K-5 is the same as one of the hunderts of parts of the D7000- Therefore the price should be the same ! Of course ! Note, I think I read somewhere that the screws of the K-5 are less expensive than... well, you know... :)
8) The IQ of K-5 is Not Better at the Base ISO, but Could be Worse
Any proof ? *Any* of *anything* you write ?
9) There is Always the "Low End"!
Get a life. Please, get a life ! And please get your facts right. My k-5 can take 23 RAWs before the buffer chokes. And I only used a cat 6 SD card...
10) The QC of Current Pentax Bodies and Lenses MIP and MIV are Sub-par but Yet Unfortunately the After-sales Support and Services of Pentax are Just So-So
So. You are disappointed, and you make it a rule. Is that all you can do ? HOW MANY SATISFIED CUSTOMERS ?
This was my semi-annual visit of your... uh... blog. See you in six months. Is unsubscribed from your RSS one year ago. Guess why ?
Bran Low · 745 weeks ago
There is nothing quite so dangerous as something near the truth and this site is a good example. Keep it up you now, as you have an international reputation as someone with bats in the belfry, that is, you are quite mad. Have a lovely day.
Dorreh · 472 weeks ago
and, well, where is the blogger himself?
hasn't replied to any of these comments!
why?
even if those views are going to be negative, i'd like to see his views on the new K-1 too btw ...
(is he too busy testing the K-1 perhaps? but that camera's not out in the market yet!) ;-)