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Friday, February 17, 2012

Pentax Full Frame Dream Crushed Today! :-o

See: http://www.pentax.jp/japan/news/announce/20120208.html

製品名：「smc PENTAX-DA 50mmF1.8」（仮称）製品写真

・「Kマウント」デジタル一眼カメラ専用の標準中望遠単焦点レンズ　※2012年2月15日　誤記を訂正いたしました
・自然なボケ味で、立体的な描写が得られる明るいF1.8の開放F値を採用
・2012年発売予定

for an official correction about the DA50 lens from being described as a "standard" lens to "mid-tele".

Via: http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-news-rumors/175724-pentax-full-frame-dream-crushed-today.html

But this time, I have a different opinion than the above OP's. At this moment, it is completely technically correct for the 50mm on APS-C, i.e., the effective focal and Angle of View is in mid-tele. But if some days later there is really a K-mount Pentax FF body, then this 50mm lens could become a "standard" lens again, as long as it has a true 135 Full Frame coverage.

So, there is hope, still! ;-)

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Ying · 684 weeks ago

Smoke and Mirrors, or in Chinese 捕风捉影。

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RiceHigh 110p · 684 weeks ago

True and well described!

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eighter · 684 weeks ago

i'm agree with you, it seems to be clear..

good news !

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ogl69 33p · 684 weeks ago

From Interview at CP+ with Mr.Kawauchi

(Interviewer) Is the new DA50mm f/1.8 going to be replacement for the FA 50 or are you going to have both on the market?

(Kawauchi) The FA50 will be continued as it is. The 50mm prototype shown has a whole new optical design. When compared to the usual 50mm, we aim for a reasonable price point. We plan to sell both the FA50mm F/1.4 and DA50mm F/1.8 as different products.

(Interviewer) (Paraphrased) What's missing in your camera lineup?

(Kawauchi) We continuously consider 35mm (full-frame), but it has to be different from what other manufactures are releasing and lenses supporting 35mm have to be prepared. We think these are the principal challenges. So for example, even if we decide to make a full size SLR in the future, we will release what is not available from the other makers. We cannot comment and we do not know when it will be.

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bandymelis · 684 weeks ago

"We will release what is not available from the other makers". What is "not available from other makers"? FF cameras? Or, they do not make ice-cream for you? What would really make it different, is a FF dslr with replaceable backs! A more dense for studio, and with less pixels for sports. Also, a possibility to upgrade the sensor. Then the camera would last longer than two or three years, as film cameras used to last. Otherwise, THERE IS NO POINT IN SPENDING ENORMOUS AMOUNTS FOR FF CAMERAS, IMHO.

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ogl69 33p · 684 weeks ago

who knows...? I think that everything will be like with 645D or Pentax Q. Pentax has FF prototype camera for a long time...But they wait for non-expensive and good sensor, first of all. And they will launch such FF camera which never was at the market before. Not for everybody, but for special users. IMO. Mirrorless FF is different too.

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Harry · 684 weeks ago

>Pentax has FF prototype camera for a long time.

What possible relevance is a ten-year old prototype?

Manufacturing materials have changed, methods have consequently changed, the tools are no longer used, the software with the design files may not have been translated and the internal calculations for the geometry may be worked differently (i.e. the difference between Catia V4 and V5 where spaces were additive versus subtractive).

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ogl69 33p · 684 weeks ago

645D's body had several changes during several years...It's silly to think that Pentax made the prototype 10 year ago and stopped to develop new versions...:)

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Simon · 684 weeks ago

Guys, in the meantime get a 5DII and enjoy full frame. I even considering to add a D700 to my collection and in the long run a D800.
More and more I'm feeling less connected to the Pentax brand.

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bandymelis · 684 weeks ago

I enjoy my K5. And I do not see much to "enjoy" in the 5DII. Its big, bulky. Lenses are big, bulky. Advantages? Shallower DoF, which is too shallow for me most of the times. There is basically nothing to enjoy. I would buy a FF camera ONLY if it is lower than $1000 - same amount I spent on my K5 (brillian camera).

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RiceHigh 110p · 684 weeks ago

So why buy a FF even if it is of the same price, if it is really so bad?

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Rob · 684 weeks ago

I really dont understand treating FF like it is some holy grail. At some point FF meant more pixels, better high ISO performance and shallow DoF. Now its DoF and even that is only slight. For the cost difference between a K-5 and a D800 you can buy better lenses that will give you the shallow DoF and you wont have to carry your gear in a trolly. A 16MP sensor produces "gallery quality" 20 x 30 prints and perfectly wonderful 40 x 60. Exactly how many photographers make larger than 20 x 30 routinely? OK, get a FF. How many print the occasional 8 x 10 and keep everything else on the computer? But you NEED a FF? OK...........

I have SOLD hundreds of images taken with my 10MP APS-C K200. As far as I know, I have not lost a single sale because the buyer wanted a "FF image, not APS-C." I love gear but at the end of the day, I want images, not specs. You want better pictures? Take more pictures, take a class, take some critical feedback. Waiting for new gear never made anyone a better photographer.

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APS-C fan · 684 weeks ago

Rob - can't agree with you more. Biggest print I ever made was A4 (so much nicer than letter sized, by the way). I see no need for a full-frame and am happily selling images, even some older ones, taken with the excellent Pentax DS, for crying out loud. I wonder how many people complaining about the lack of a Pentax full-frame body are pros? They are probably using existing offerings from other manufactureres, or even the 645 if they're particularly well-heeled. This whole full-frame thing is a bit beyond me, as it negates the relentless march of technology. The APS-C sensor of the K5 is brilliant, and whatever comes next will be even more so. Good enough for me!

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Zebooka · 684 weeks ago

Yeah... "Pentax. Enjoy waiting..."

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jon1 · 684 weeks ago

Nice try. m43 is good enough for quality 20x30 too. It's not a holy grail, but It's logically the next step for Pentax users to upgrade without spending for the 645D. The printing argument is another intellectual dishonest argument from the APS-C camp.

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Rob · 684 weeks ago

the gap between the best m4/3 and even an average aps-c is HUGE. DXOMark between a k-r and brand new EPen 3
http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Cameras/Compare-...

Its not even close.

Compare a K-5 to anything and it holds up. Given the current FF cameras are HUGE and expensive, I dont see a reason to "upgrade."

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Scratch · 684 weeks ago

What do you guys rhink about that: http://www.pentaxforums.com/news/exclusive-pentax...
Doesn't sound like full frame anytime soon...

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