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Saturday, October 19, 2013

The Pentax L43 Special (L39-mount) Put onto the A7



Via: http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/the-rumor-counterattack-from-fuji-full-frame-x200-coming-in-2014/

Wow!


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Indeed! If you have to put a "Pentax" brand lens on a "Ricoh" Camera, might as well try those lens with a "Sony" body.
It looks fantastic. This camera should be made by Pentax. I wonder how well will Pentax sell K-3. Preordered price already drop by 100 euro in where i live
Wow, great, fantastic, I'm speechless!
Except it might not work that well ;) http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_onli...
Why wouldn't it work, the only thing missing is propably autofocus.
I tried all my pentax lenses on my fuji x-e1 and didn't notice any problems.
Also with an adapter. Still I stopped thinking about ff - switched to fuji for it's quality in a smaller package, something a lot of Full framers might do to.
I call B.S. on that picture. That adapter doesn't look right at all. There needs to be more distance between the Sony sensor and the rear element of the 43mm for it to work properly. Troll-shot!
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Mistral75 · 598 weeks ago

The lens on the picture is the smc Pentax-L 43mm f/1.9 Special, not the smc Pentax FA 43mm f/1.9 Limited.

It has a LTM (Leica Thread Mount) / L39 mount, i.e. the short-registered thread mount of Leica rangefinder cameras prior to the Leica M bayonet mount.
That's a Leica lens adapter morons!
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Mistral75 · 598 weeks ago

See above (and there is no need to use such vocabulary).
Very funny. A moron is calling you a moron.
Thank you brother!
My Olympus G.Zuiko 55 1.2 and Minolta 58 1.2 would look great on this camera too ;)
I wonder if Pentaxians will continue to invest their money in the DA/HD lens lineup? 15mm, 21mm, 16-50mm , 50-150mm etc and so on and since they don't work on FF cameras. The lens might be small in comparison to the DSLR FF lenses, but Pentax just can't make a smaller DSLR body than the current K5 due to the flange distance hence boxy/brick looking k01. Let say if Pentax goes the Sony route and comes out with another MILC K01-mark2, thin body , Pentax would have to scrap the entire K mount lineup. Ofcourse Pentax can just stay with a FF DSLR, but will there anymore Pentaxians left and also will Pentaxians invest in the current DA/HD APS-C lineup? to be or not to be?
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"but Pentax just can't make a smaller DSLR body than the current K5 due to the flange distance hence boxy/brick looking k01" - On the contrary, Pentax can put the same Sony A7 into the body of a K1000 fairly easily. Just use the same physical mount arrangement - same lenses - done.

A7's physical dimensions 127 x 94 x 48 mm
K1000 physical dimensions 143 x 91.5 x 49 mm
MX physical dimensions 136 x 82.5 x 49.5 mm
ME Super physical dimensions 131.5 x 82.5 x 49.5 mm
LX physical dimensions 144.5 x 85 x 50 mm
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Anonimity is Great · 598 weeks ago

SR and LCD won't let any K-mount Digital System be as thin as the A7. That sony guy is right, Pentax needs a new mount to make thinner bodies. The smallest DSLR Pentax has made that is still comfortable to hold is the excellent k-x: 122.5x91.5x67.5mm, still 20mm thicker than the A7.

Pentax should just re-use the K-x body, remove the mirror assembly, replace the OVF with EVF, and of course put an FF sensor in there. That'd be a very, very nice camera.
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Dan Johnson · 598 weeks ago

Thanks for the info on the Silver 43mm f/1.9 FF Pentax lens Rice, I'm thinking of buying one for my Silver K-3 but would like to know why it's $200 less than the same thing in blue. I'm sure you will like my K-3 as much as I do, but like you I wish it was Full Frame in addition to all the other changes. From what I've read Mirrorless cameras will dominate Photokina 2014 (also Ricoh is reluctant to change the DSLR mirror box and all) it seems to me that no matter when a Pentax is offered in Full Frame, Ricoh wants the new design to be future upgradable (removable vertical grip, removable EVF, ETC.) at the prices of these new cameras it leave no good reason for any DSLR maker to offer a Full Frame EVF.
3 replies · active 597 weeks ago
"future upgradable" products when it comes to consumer electronics is a myth.

The things you consider worthy of "future-proofness" would require a different approach to designing and manufacturing. The way it works now is: every bump in sensor resolution and or per-pixel-fidelity requires a tailored read-out and "processing engine". The "cpu" of the camera is also a highly "optimized" (for image- read-out and processing) box that pretty much needs to be upgraded, once it is too slow to handle all the data at required speed. So what's sufficient to drive todays low-resolution (and I regard everything lower as 1920x1280 pixel as "low" when it comes to electronic viewfinders on a 2:3 aspect ratio camera) will most-llikely fail at delivering a picture on a higher-resolution one (if it is at all adaptable to its data-interface). In other words: You would have to put into the device a computing core that is over-capable of what it needs to do right now.

Or even if the resolution (as is a fair guess by now) will consolidate per-sensor-format in the near-byfuture with only display-technology (how the colours and shades are physically produced) to be left to advance: you would have to make sure that the camera provides the right electronic and electric environment for such changing pieces of equipment: voltages, data-protocols, EMV stuff, etc...

So that's why I say, as based on how things appear to work out in the consumer electronics market today: I say it is still impossible to do. Maybe when such things mature in another 10..20 years this way of doing things will have been replaced by a much, much more "organic" and natural aproach. Until then - I believe we will have to make do with what we have. In analogy to cameras (which are just as much computers as of today as they are physical tools): The way our market works might just be the cause why free-software as in" free as in thinking" does now drive the majority of our world wide web, serving us in the background - whereas in most consumers' hands we still find closed-source proprietary boxes running software-systems under the exclusive influence of a select few international for-profit companies.

As for Photokina 2014 in laymen's terms: Yes mirrorless with 24x36mm sensors might just be the next "big thing" and the new Sony just the first fresh breath of a storm to come. But does that change the fact that I can capture images, today, with a "cropped"-sensor dslr that are perceivably as good as what could be achieved with 135-film or better?

As I didn't have a large investment in glass in the pre-digital era and came to Pentax because of the then affordable APS-C system (and the fact that Pentax made it a whole system around those then still pricey but affordable small sensors) I say:

I won't wait for "full frame" (especially not mirrorless)

I'll wait for a successor to the mamiya 6 and 7 - Now THAT would be a worthy sensor size to do away with a mirror. For serious landscape and architectural photo-work. For action and general photography I don't see any significant advantage going mirrorless-only. But I do see what I have to compromise:

Speed for one.
Battery life is next-in-line: a mechanical mirror does not need any power when resting stationary. "Mirrorless"-cameras do!

The other thing bugging me is the simple fact that we are talking about "future evc-desings" - > meaning today's EVFs just don't cut it - and by a long shot. I absolutely won't invest in half-baked ideas. To those who do: you probably know what you have to expect.
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Dan Johnson · 598 weeks ago

You take a long time to say little or nothing, if you want everything you do to be stuck in the past so be it but the new K-3 is USB-3 and has many other features to make it future upgradable. If they only make slight changes without thinking of the future they'll still take much better photos than film. Every time I take apart my laptop and upgrade something in it I'll think of you and the computers of my youth that would fill an airplane hanger!
Guess I either misunderstood/misinterpreted your post or just clicked the wrong "reply" button :P

You are right, on both accounts. Stupid fact remains: WE as consumers (unfortunately) are unable to take apart our cameras and just exchange parts on the inside as we see them fit. If we could I would take the new K-3, rip everything out and put into the K-5's body -- simply because I don't like where "they" selfishly re-located the AF-thumb-button. That's about it.

I'm glad that Pentax continues to take their APS-C customers seriously! That was one major reason for me to go Pentax in the first place. Wish they have got that new camera model 'right' as to give them (Ricoh-Pentax) a little time to reconsider updating that lens-lineup. I think I could use a 50-135/2.8 but am unsure If I want it with a possible re-design on the horizon (no, I don't know any rumours, just see it would fit in with the re-coating of the limiteds).
Oh, yes: flash-sync is still not that great -> I know, slr-technology and cmos-sensors still have their limitations.

However: mirrorless still does not make too much sense in my eyes in a sports/action oriented camera. And even the short flange distances takes its toll on digital... ...where SLRs naturally don't have this problem as such.
I follow your judgement: pure marketing hype. Playing with peoples ideas in their heads, of course - Sony will gladly take your money first, just so you find out about all that in the field later.
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Mistral75 · 598 weeks ago

RiceHigh, this lens, the smc Pentax-L 43mm f/1.9 Special, has a LTM (Leica Thread Mount) / L39 mount, not a Leica M bayonet mount.
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Mistral75 · 598 weeks ago

By the way, the picture on top of this page is from a guy named Rowland who sent it to Sony Alpha Rumors, see http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/top-a7-a7r-news-fi...

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