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Thursday, October 07, 2010

AP UK Writes About D800 is Coming. So, Who Says Full Frame is "Futureless"?

First read AP's latest report:-

http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/news/nikon_d800_dslr_due_before_february_2011_news_302529.html

via 1001 Noisy Cameras.

In fact, I have seen a full specs of the D800 at a Chinese website months ago back to July. But since there are just too many untrue things at those Chinese sites (but at the same time there are still quite some true, real and 1st leaks!), I haven't reported that anyway. Now, since I recall that that specs is coherent with the latest AP rumour, I opt to post this link:-

http://product.it168.com/detail/doc/390558/detail.shtml
(in Simplified Chinese, Google machine translation in English Here)

For your easy viewing and reference, here is a copy of the Machine Translated Specs Table:-





Enjoy. Full Frame is great! Well done, Nikon - if it is really true! Indeed, as an old film Pentaxian in the past, I admire those Minolta, Nikon, Canon or even Leica old film SLR users very much! :-(


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I'm not saying it's futureless, I'm saying it's pointless.

Low weight is an important feature of a camera for me, and with a Pentax body and maybe three DA limiteds I have top IQ with low weight.

C
1 reply · active 758 weeks ago
I have the confidence that Pentax is capable of making a compact Full Frame DSLR, provided that they are to do it!

So, your assumption is not valid. Remember when C and N only made bulky flagships in the film era, Pentax made the MZ-S!

The advantages of a FF DSLR are so obvious, a K-mount one will give all of us one word: Compatibility, which is 100% but not cropped!
Yep. Hoya should create limited FF series. To satisfy the cravings of the few who can actually afford it. That would probably tone down the whining.

Until they realize the AF is not up to par with Nikon and Canon, or there is not enough lens choices, or it habitually underexposes, or there is no tethering option, or the video is not good enough, or it's priced too high for the what it's worth, or the service is not good enough, or the quality is not good enough, or it's not sharp enough at 100% magnification, or the SR induces blur.

Did I miss anything?
12 replies · active 758 weeks ago
I can't afford the current Pentax glass than I was able to for all those FA* and Limiteds just about ten years ago! So? ;->

Besides, I have been much satisfied with all those "expensive" Pentax glass I have had, no major complaint or whatsoever! What's the real problem then? ;-)) Please answer me!

Okay, let you have the answer: The real problem of Hoya in recent years and up till now is that there is no serious glass anymore and there is no future plan!! Furthermore, the current production quality of the Pentax lenses MIV are inferior than those were MIJ (including the FA Limiteds) but they are being sold at rocket high prices! >:-[
Maybe that's the reason they do not have any FF (yet). They need to rebuild the lens line up. And to do that you need to have the funds. And to do that you need sell products. And the APS outsells the FF.

Don't misunderstand me. I'm not criticizing you. Just pointing out a different perspective about it.
No problem, I am okay with your comments. And constructive criticisms are always welcomed!

However, it seems that Hoya do not always hear us, nor they are willing to let us know about their plan(s), IF any!
Maybe they are hesitant with releasing roadmaps that would be hard to pursue. Telling the world what their plans but not realizing any (or most) might brand them the camera world's equivalent to software's vaporware manufacturer. Then nobody would take them seriously.

I dunno, but maybe a lot of photographers right now (including me) never got to experience film and all it's FF equivalent glory. Maybe then there would be greater demand for FF, which would probably drive prices down because manufacturers will be selling in volumes.

If I understand correctly, APS came to be because it was expensive to make FF sensors back then. But maybe technological advancements (inluding manufacturing improvements) has negated that somewhat.
Maybe they do not want to tell owing to some concerns, or they just don't have any long-term plan!

As for the benefits and disadvantages of Full Frame Vs APS-C, just think about Full Frame against MF, e.g., the 645D. Then things will be cleared up!
Well knowing the advantages is one thing, but to really have practical experience is another.

I guess you can say we poor sods don't know what we are missing :)
Of course I have "real practical experiences", as I have them all! :-)
I never questioned that, if that's what you meant :).

By 'we' I was referring to us who had not used film and/or the FF dslr. It's easy to dismiss FF because we had not experienced it.

So yes, you could say we don't know what we are missing, or missed :)
Rice -
this is bringing me back to an earlier post. Maybe, just maybe, if you were less hostile, they WOULD let you know. But I were a Pentax manager, blogs like this would not raise my appetite for releasing any plans. Remember, more than once you posted the direct advice "don't buy Pentax, I'm selling all my stuff, Pentax has no future, etc."
I suggest you reconsider such posts.
C
I have never said that "I'm selling all my stuff". Anyone is welcome to search my Blog in order to find if there is such a statement. In the end, I'm almost sure that guy will be surprised how many Pentax items I am actually keeping!
Well I did not quote you by exact wording, but definitely by attitude. Just a starter would be this:

Monday, July 06, 2009, Really NO MORE HOPE WITH PENTAX (Dozen Reasons for WHY NOT PENTAX NOW)

And of course YOU are not really selling - that's actually a statement some readers make in response to your posts. From various statements in your blog it is clear to me that you can well afford having several camera systems in parallel, some in use, others as collectibles. (I'm also not selling my K10D)

C
Rice,
and don't misunderstand me: I AM criticizing you.
C

PS: However, I have to admit, your blog - including the discussions - is interesting and entertaining.
... How much years do you think we'll wait for a pentax FF with an exmor-type sensor and an accurate lens line-up ?

... By the way, for real professionnal photography work, I would consider nor the full 24x36 format, nor even the 645D medium format, but a large format camera such a Linhof Master Technica - or an equivalent DIY model -> with tilt/shift abilities, to really control the picture (perspective, blur). I wouldn't go for the loss of money of the price of a FF when I could spare to buy a LF cam w/ good old lenses.

-> So the K5 could be the good choice to do, to upgrade now and wait for other news to come from Pentax :)
1 reply · active less than 1 minute ago
> By the way, for real professionnal photography work, I would consider nor the
> full 24x36 format, nor even the 645D medium format, but a large format
> camera such a Linhof Master Technica

Not so useful for news or sport photography...
1. I believe when the future of full frame was questioned in respect to Sony, as the rumors had it they wanted out of the market. Since Sony supplies Nikon with its sensors (tweaked for them) that would mean Nikon would have to return to making their own, or find another vendor. Everyone knows Nikon will continue to make full frame.

2. While having the full frame would be welcomed by all Pentaxians, how many would buy one? Unless it blew the 7D and D800 away in quality, speed, and price, its unlikely Pentax would get new adopters, simply because there is not a lot of new FF glass around. Glass may not even play a role, as Sony has plenty of options, and a price to move, but seems to be lagging in FF sales.....

Loyalists would jump on, especially those with F and FA glass, but how many would really make the switch from APSC? I have some FA glass, but really I think the K5 beyond perfect for what I shoot, and some later firmware changes are in the offing.

I see the allure of the FF, don't get me wrong, but I am not sure its in the cards anytime soon. Nor I am not even sure if the few notable photographers "jumping ship" is all that concerning - first of all, half of them seem to be keeping some vestiges of their Pentax system intact, possibly waiting for the day Pentax goes FF. Secondly, what better testimonial than in a year, giving these guys test units of the new system, and getting accolades about how they switched to Canon or Nikon, but that they are coming back because the Pentax is far superior for the photographer (if Pentax does it right).

Plus, really, Pentax needs to update FF glass. Whether it is just reproducing FA glass, or if they update with some quiet motor built in, the glass needs major updates (and they need to play catch-up as they are starting to get passed)

Pentax is small, to launch two new APSC and finally the 645d is probably all they can do. As we see, Canon cheaped out in upgrades to the 50D, and has yet to update the 7d or higher. Nikon launched the 3100 and 7000, but were not able to launch a new D800 (I can see holding back a D400, because that would have overshadowed by/the D7000)

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