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Saturday, September 18, 2010

The Quality and Warranty Crises (Re: K-x and Pentax)

Last time we have seen how vulnerable the outer shell/built quality and the relability of inside electronics of the K-x could be and there were actually some more K-x users replied that they did experience the same or just something similar.

Yesterday, I finally had the time to take my Navy Blue K-x to the Pentax local service centre for requesting *warranty* service for the peeling off of the shiny paint at both sides of the bottom of the RTF that now chips are found as a result, symmetrically at both the right and the left. Just see the photo below for the wound at the left:-



I just picked up the self-detached piece of the painting when it got off and here it is:-



Well, about the Hong Kong Pentax service centre, unlike those of Canon and Nikon, both are located at Grade A to Grade B offices and districts in Hong Kong, the Pentax' one is located at the Gradeless non-office but old industrial buildings area at the far east Kowloon peninsula (at the Kowloon Bay), which is remote and not so easily accessible (and not even quite close to the MTR station). Moreover, it opens only during typical office hours, something from 9 am to 5 pm on Monday to Friday (and maybe also in the morning of Saturdays as well IIRC) which is really rather inconvenient to all we Pentax users for both the cheap/bad location chosen and the short and exactly "aligned" opening hours (in order to save costs for sure! :-(). In contrast, the opening hours of Canon and Nikon's service centres are much longer, to 8 pm something from Monday to Saturdays, even putting aside the difference in location and convenience.

I rushed to that remote site at lunch time, penetrating through the polluted industrial district in 30+ Deg Celsius and finally reached the Service Centre..


(Above: Industrial Building District where the HK Pentax Service Centre is Located)


(Above: The HK Pentax Service Centre, at the 10/F of this old Industrial Building, i.e., the floor that has the most outdoor air-conditioners)

After some short waiting (as there were only few customers there, even at the lunch time), I was called to come to the service desk. The staff, who only took a quick glance (i.e., no close inspection) and without any thought, told me that he would go inside the workshop and checked for the repair cost for me (it seems that he has just seen too many similar cases and knew well about the problem). I objected to his proposition and insisted that it is surely NOT my fault and there was no mis-use of any of my camera which is actually still in excellent condition and is very clean except the defects, which is undoubtedly a quality issue. That frontline staff then looped back to re-iterate that a repair cost was required and as such, I asked him to find his supervisor to talk with me.

After waiting for about ten minutes or so, the service centre supervisor came out and he expressed more clearly that "the Outer Shell of ALL those Pentax cameras are NOT covered by NOR Under Warranty"! What? Pardon? They have no responsibility of ANY on the quality or latent design problems of the products the made themselves, once the Outer Shell is involved?? And it is all the sole responsibility of the customers, like Hin and I, are required to suffer???

It was furthered told that "it was the set rules by Pentax for us to bill the customers for any replacement and repair of any parts to the *outer shell* of the bodies" which "we must charge you or *any* customers". Of course, I objected to his this repeated suggestion and "rationale" (which are totally unreasonable and NOT acceptable") and insisted that the defect was NOT caused by me in ANY sense, under NO circumstances. After some arguing, he thought about a way of resolution, "Just leave your unit here and we shall ask Pentax HQs and our principal for how to handle your case!"

As there was still no commitment on a FREE Warranty Repair Service nor there was no commitment on the time required for "asking" and making the decision, nor I don't know what they are going to do and "offer", and also in consideration about the so inconvenient opening time and super remote place of the service centre, I refused immediately to his suggestion. I had better use my K-x to take more pictures instead of let my unit to just seat at their workshop and those staff of the Pentax centre to do thing in a don't-care and irresponsible way, slowly. However, if I use my K-x further, the cracks of the wound may extend, though as I can see the covered shiny blue coat has actually already separated from the underneath black plastic already.

Indeed, the quoted repair cost is not dear. It involves only the replacement of the top plastic cover above the RTF only. But I don't think I would pay them for even one cent in this case, and that is my BOTTOM LINE! As usual, money is a non-issue to me for all those consumer camera gear, but my baseline principle for fighting for my own customer/consumer and user rights MUST be maintained!!

Actually, I became a little bit angry and told that I should share my unpleasant experience and the unfair treatment in the Net. But then both staff responded that, "you actually have the sole rights to do so!" and "please feel free to do so". At the end, that supervisor became somehow impatient and said that "I understood well what you want to express" and "I don't want to waste your valuable time anymore" in "good manner" and hinted that I should go! >:-|

Okay, I would give them the last chance btw. I don't need them to keep my unit to ask Pentax HQs for what should be done and how to tackle the manufacturing and design defects of the K-xes. I told them that I shall write the case fully and truly at my Blog, with clear photos taken, and let them just to forward my link to the Pentax HQs for follow-up action, if ANY!

Pentax, and now Hoya, being an irresponsible company, is what I have been angry about and hate much since the digital era. In the past, their products had far less quality, (in)accuracy and (un)reliability issues and that they were far more responsible for warranty even when there were defects happened within the one-year warranty period, which now many things are actually excluded by their OWN *discretion* and self-set "Policy"!!

Now, I think the Warranty Card is no different from a piece of junk paper in many cases! I am pissed off and annoyed!! >>:-( In fact, the first service centre staff did not even bother to have a look at the warranty card and he just told me it was not required! (So, why buy "warranted" goods from them then???!)



In fact, my first Navy Blue K-x unit was replaced owing to three issues back to January. One is the same crack of the blue painting at the same position (left side only at that time for that unit), the other is the serious back focusing with my Pentax fast primes, third is the inconsistent exposure and underexposure with different lenses and when using different apertures. The dealer helped me to got a new unit btw, whom the salesman had been polite and helpful enough (far better than those at the Pentax service centre!).

But still, buying new Pentax stuff nowadays just always looks like a BIG Gamble to me, which I need to take many risks before I could get an almost problem-free unit - but even though, now my current K-x unit still cannot pass the warranty before defect arises (although you can say it is minor!)!

Last but not least, if you are considering the K-r and K-5, good lucks to you folks, our fellow Pentaxians! (But stupid me, I honestly tell you, I've planned to buy the K-5! Especially when there will be a silver version, possibly! Stupid and foolish enough?? I think the only explanation is just that blinded brand loyalty in action! :-o)

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caveat emptor · 755 weeks ago

I guess buying anything is a gamble nowadays, short-lived products being more profitable than durable ones, and this goes far deeper than this issue, just look at cars, electronics, food, it's all buy/make on the cheap and sell as expensively as possible. And since everybody wants a good price, more of this is to come, from any manufacturer of cameras, cars, you name it...
that sounds about right. The outside is due to user wear and tear or maybe just a bad paint job but other cameras are the same. My company bought about 50 Nikon d90's and we use them it hot humid weather and the rubber grips on the back by the door are coming off on about half and these are not covered by warranty as they user wear and tear. In fact Nikon rubber grips and jacket of their cameras is the worse as i've seen d200's where the rubber is off the camera but still on the camera an it looks like its wearing a loose rubber jacket than having weather sealing. When we used the d70 the rubber grips came off the back too these were not replaceable or covered by warranty. I would say I do not like the Nikon weather sealing.

Yeah I don't think its just Pentax. You can't take just a few issues and say the whole lot is bad because other camera companies have issues too as with the canon 7d focusing issues and Canon's focusing isn't as great as Nikons and some of my Pentax will focus faster than Canons and Nikons in full light.

I got the black kx for just these reason as I know eventually things begin to fade and not look as nice. But the black is pretty solidly put together and I've had none of the issues discussed here.
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Yeah... i don't think that any company will cover that kinds of problems under their warranty period, and you refused to get and "special" attention that might have resolved your problem!
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I was expecting to see paint peeling off your camera-am I missing something here? It's obvious that chip occured in the process of closing the flash, or pressure on the flash door. Really scuff and scratches happen all the time during normal use. It shows up a little different bc the Kx is painted, but really, I expected more on how much you were whining. You were right to be angry about the focusing issues you had, and any other mechanical issue. I am sorry, but from your description of the service center (most Americans have to mail their cameras in for service) to the fact they wouldn't replace your camera just shows how you are devolving inton pettyness
My dead Pentax K-x white is in CRIS since 9/2/2010 and nothing has been done on the camera for 18 days after arrival as there is NO parts available from CRIS and NONE is stocked in Pentax USA. It has been back ordered from Japan with NO ETA.

I AM LEAVING PENTAX partially at the moment. And I will leave PENTAX digital for good. That IS IT for me. RH, please spread the words for Hin that he has decided to leave PENTAX.

By the way, that chrome strip is normal wear and I won't sweat little thing on Pentax for that inconvenience but a dead camera is a dead camera in my case. I expect NOTHING from Pentax.
I have sold my DA limited lens on 21/40/70 and 50. Next will come with DA* 50-135mm f/2.8 and then my F* 300. When you see the F* 300 in marketplace of PF, you will know that I completely OUT of Pentax digital

I will keep my FA limited in 43/77 for my Pentax film work along with Pentax 645N. But my Pentax digital LIFE is no more. Even if they come out with magic in K5, I don't give a damn!
2 replies · active 755 weeks ago
Maybe I should start buying stuff for other people. My white K-x that I bought around yule tide last year is still in mint condition, and I use it a lot, and in all kinds of weather. Every Sigma lens I've bought (Sigma 105mm 2.8 macro, 10-20mm 4-5.6 and now the 8-16mm) were all as they should be and never broke, the 105 actually took a serious beating when I backed into my tripod which was standing very high up with the feet close together, so it was very unstable, the lenst took the fall for the camera (K10D with grip) big three-way head and tripod. The only thing that happened was that the filter rings got a bit bent, and otherwise the lens was still as it should be. Also I haven't had any problems with my four DA* lenses (2x 16-50mm, sold one due to finances, bought a new later, and a 50-135 and then a 60-250mm, sold the 50-135mm also due to finances, still miss it :/ ).

I'd be very surprised though if this is only for Pentax, I'm sure they're no worse or better than other brands in this regard.
Do you have a picture of the other side RH?
4 replies · active 755 weeks ago
I purchased an ASUS n10j eighteen monts ago and the batery since last week is dead. And the watanty covers the batery only 12 months. Imagine - laptop without batery -no way! And I have to pay almost 1/4 of the price of laptop for the new batery :[

So welkome to the plastic world, gentlemen! And Rice, Hin, for God sake, such kind of dramatic complaints are just grotesque.
I guess its a good time for change...after all folks these are only cameras...
1 reply · active less than 1 minute ago
RiceHigh maybe intresting to make a post about ;)
http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-news-ru...
Is it specific Chinese humor? Such kind of complaints are grotesque.
Oh RiceHigh, you should have introduced yourself right from the start to the Pentax manager and told your grueling journey.
Not only would Pentax fix your camera problem but also call in professional help at their expense.
Oh no, don't tell us you might want to post about your "bad Pentax experience" on the net. You might even start a blog where you collect all "bad Pentax news ever". Or worse, you might start a blog that is full of lies and hippocritical nonsense. Oh now, God forbid.

Your "I hate Pentax" blog gets more comical then I ever thought it could be.

Hin: Do you think you are a VIP just because you have a blog? 18 days is nothing in today's repair business and you cry like a baby.
Ahhh come on now, what the hell??? I just had to read this blog...Before this i didn't think I had a problem with it. But I just checked the spot on my camera and found the exact same chip on the left side. I don't know if I already had it or if it just happened when I checked it. How disappointing, I don't use it that often. To the side of the chip it looks like its ready to be peeled off; I'm fighting the urge to peel it off. Maybe I should lightly coat it with some glue...oh well...
2 replies · active 755 weeks ago
Check for a pressure point being on the corners where its chipping as I explained in a post above.
Its either a design flaw or a manufacturing flaw.
You may have a case for them to fix it even outside warranty depending on where you live and what consumer protection laws are there.
Try to get them to honor the warranty first. Get it in writing that it will be covered at their cost.
If that fails, get it forced through any relevant consumer protection service you have.

It is unreasonable for damage like this to occur in the course of normal light use.
If its caused by pressure loading then simple and protected transportation in a quality camera bag could still cause the damage and that is definitely unreasonable and should be fixed under warranty as well as fixing the underlying problem so it won't happen again.

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