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Tuesday, September 28, 2010

Sigma HSM is Incompatible with SAFOX IX (of K-5 and K-r)?

Roland Mabo notes at DPR that for the comment from another DPR poster who visited the Photokina Pentax booth that his Bigmas behaved weirdly on a K-5 for the AF. So, is the Sigma HSM just incompatible with the new Pentax SAFOX IX AF system? Does the SAFOX IX uses some completely new algorithms so that the old Sigma in-lens firmware (it's just software afterall) just won't work anymore?

It's not surprised that the compatibility from 3rd party manufacturer is not ensured as they are just not the original manufacturer. Nowadays, even the compatibility between the older and new products from the same original manufacturer cannot be guaranteed sometimes, what do we expect from the 3rd parties? Nevertheless, Sigma in the past did provide some free firmware updates to their products, e.g., their lenses and flashes, to make them work with new bodies from different manufacturers. Let's see if they will do it again this time.

It will not be surprised for Pentax has updated his software, as I believe that the hardware of the SAFOX IX and SAFOX VIII is more or less the same but yet Pentax claims that there is performance improvement. Furthermore, new firmware may work better for the new "DC" AF motor for the DA 18-135 lens, possibly, as this lens is just working in a completely different principle, primitively.

Update: Well, the original tester actually responded in the thread that he found AF problem with his Bigmas on K-7, just, not K-5! :-o So, it seems that it is just an old compatibility problem/performance issue that has not yet been resolved!

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Very interesting. Wanna track that issue.
I have been thinking about slowly changing my lenses to hsm but didn't go for it because Pentax was in no way stopping their screw driven focus system.
Even more they are enhancing it with every incarnation of their safox engine. I'm really interested in how this is going to turn out.
If Pentax doesn't do hsm lenses above 300mm then Sigma is the only alternative, and ... it they then cripple those lenses they are really crippling their hsm range.
It's not so bad for me because I never get a descent shot above 300mm. (lol)
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jerrymouse · 754 weeks ago

Did you read the whole thread? This is how false rumors start. http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=...
A lot of these stories do not make safe. With the exception of possibly the focus motor turning the opposite way in response to the control signals or being too fast. The lens is only a part of the focus feedback system. The controller and error detector are in the camera. I do not know how you can make a lens, apart from the above. incompatible with a focus system.
Really, one guy states he thought his lens acted loopy, and this gets a post Rice? And if it acted loopy on a K7, maybe the guy's lens is faulty in some way, because I haven't heard a groundswell of people complaining abut the K7 having focusing issues.

I don't need to track that issue because it is not an issue as far as I can see. If there problems with the K7 update, we would hear about it. right now, we don't.

THe only thing that this brings to mind is it would be nice if Pentax built an option in where you could select in-lens or screw motor for focusing.....
1 reply · active 754 weeks ago
>> THe only thing that this brings to mind is it would be nice if Pentax built an option in where you could select in-lens or screw motor for focusing.....

There is a petition, which was started a while back, but which has been ignored by Pentax and the voices of the users have never been heard!

http://ricehigh.blogspot.com/2010/01/sdm-petition...
RH wrote:
"Update: Well, the original tester actually responded in the thread that he found AF problem with his Bigmas on K-7, just, not K-5! :-o So, it seems that it is just an old compatibility problem/performance issue that has not yet been resolved!"

Since Pentax is the OEM and Sigma is making products to suit it then Sigma is the one that needs to fix their issues not the other way around.
Imagine an oil filter manufacturer expecting Ford to change the design of their new engine because it won't fit their after market oil filters properly.
Aftermarket bullbars, spotlights etc etc.

What this says in this particular case is that Sigma hasn't made their product 100% compatible with Pentax cameras. If they did, then they wouldn't have this problem.
Hi RH, my new K-r don't work with Sigma 18-125 HSM in live/contrast AF mode, just do hunting. I.am sad.
5 replies · active 738 weeks ago
Too bad.. Have you tried contacting Sigma to see if they could help?
Thanks for answer, but i beleve, dont help me the Sigma, this is a Pentax software problem.
Breaking News: with my Tammy 70-200 in this AF mode (live view/contrast) focused seriously first front and after back, front and after back, f & b... f & b,... etc.... newer accurately. jeaaah. Possible Pentax dont support more 3th party lenses?
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Michael A. · 738 weeks ago

Pentax supports Pentax, why should they support 3rd party items??? It's a 3rd party's responsibility to be compatible, if they want to sell stuff. Personally, I learned while back to stay away from 3rd party lenses, period.... Safes money and grief in the long run...
Hi,
I tested 2 Sigma 18-250 HSM lenses on 2 Pentax k-x bodies and both cann't focus in live view , contrast AF, they travel the whole range and cann't lock focus. Sigma lenses & pentax bodies was from beginning of its production cca 11/2010. I still didn't found solution for the problem. I plan to send Sigma to service, because has also strong front focus. I'm thinking also if not send to service also pentax body, because I found last mont other problem: Pentax make absolutelly incorrect exposure measurements in live view, extremely dark pictures. Measurements in NON live-view is OK.
stando
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Michael A. · 738 weeks ago

Make sure you test your K-x with genuine Pentax lens to get correct results. Sigma is notoriously incompatible, hence reverse-engineered k-mount...
I have just purchased a Sigma 8-16mm PK lens.
Gives really nice results! It is plenty sharp and has good colors!
Is the HSM on this lensmodel also not working on a K-5?
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Michael A. · 738 weeks ago

Sigma 8-16mm works fine on K-5 (first hand experience), but it will not display shorter than 10mm FL in EXIF. That can be a problem in PP lens' "correction department". Sigma chip (& mount) is not fully compatible because it's reverse-engineered, not licensed.
I just spoke with somebody of the technical staff of Sigma Holland and he said that from K10D on all Pentax kamera's will be compatible wtith the Sigma HSM feature! So I am happy.....

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